. >> it was jack danforth and he is a good man. it was more work. he said he could promise more work for less money than anybody in the country. [laughter] he delivered on that. it was a wonderful learning opportunity. the best job i had for me among the jobs i had, i would have to say eeoc. eeoc had a lot of challenges. i don't want to regurgitate all of those things or relive that. there were challenges and there were criticisms and i was constantly in trouble. you learned how to make calm hard decisions under difficult circumstances. you learned to double check and recheck and make sure you are right. also, you learn how not to become unpleasant. there is unpleasantness around you to accept certain things. you can't retaliate. i would say eeoc. people who work closely with you appreciate you being loyal and good to you as jack danforth was for me. i would have to say eeoc taught me that discipline and that calling this an difficult circumstances. >> sam? you spent four years in new jersey where i imagine a lot of your work was appeals. then you w