jack's -- >> program. >> just so they can hear what started this, that led to the book being published, by simon and shoes center. >> i think about eric garner you heard what i said, murdered, he was murdered. >> i want to get to that. >> we'll go that. so, at 13 i'm selling lucys, and you know what they were. they were the -- >> loose joints. >> exactly. >> so -- explain more of that, what you were talking about there. >> we were talking about the looseys, and in the street they call them joints. but it was marijuana cigarettes for the most part. the murder, what's that story in case people weren't following it. >> eric garner, he was a young man, in staten island who was selling untaxed cigarettes, in front of a store out in staten island. the police responded to the location, and, pretty much was going to arrest him. he didn't want to go. it's all on video. he had a little bit of a push back. enough for him to be arrested? i strongly reflect that and he was choked out and killed. the m.e., i was the first person to say this guy was murdered. i called it. because i knew, n.y.p.d., it's illegal to do a chokehold. it was a homicide. >> that'