jack hunter is a radio host and blogger who has used the identity "the southern avenger". and from atlanta is isalla wilkerson, the pulitzer-prize winning author of "the warmth of other suns" about southern black migration. we welcome all three of you to the program. wilson -- russell moore let me start with you. what role does the confederate flag play in the identity of the south today do you believe? >> i think confederate battle flag is a symbol that causes a great deal of division and reminds us of a hurtful legacy and past. i think people see it in different ways. what some people see in the confederate flag is a sense of southern assertion that the south matters. so for instance i was at a conference one time where the speaker, every time he would reference saying something ignorant, would do it in a southern accent. i think there are s southerners, black and white who feel as though the rest of the country looks down on the south as uneducated and backward, and for some people that was a similar balance of defiance against that, but it's really clear the way the co

>> i'm joined by jack hunter, editor of rare politics, former conservative radio personality that went by the name the southern avenger and was fired by rand paul once his past came to light. that's him in the mask. jack, good to have you on, how are you doing? >> good to be with you, chris. >> you wrote this piece in the daily beast, a kind of recantation, if you will. why you think it's time to take the flag down and leave the flag behind. take me through your thinking on this. >> well, i was a staunch supporter. i wore a confederate flag on my face, for pete's sake, i said it was about state's rights. i said it was about heritage. i think i said it was about self-determination. basically most of the arguments you're hearing coming out of charleston, south carolina and across the south and country in defense of that flag are some of the idiotic statements that it had nothing do with slavery. as the years went on and i changed my mind and politics and thinking, a lot of my outlook, that's a distorted way to view that symbol. that symbol does mean something important to some white sout

jack hunter is joining us now. jack, great to meet you, thank you so much for coming in.hat picture. this was part of your radio this stick at one point. turn southern avenger. how, then, after writing this compelling piece, please tell us, how did you get from there to where you are here today? >> well, first of all, i can't tell you how much i hate seeing that photo these days but obviously it's part of the narrative. i would say my story to a large degree is the story we're seeing play out in my hometown of charleston, south carolina. you're seeing flag supporters say what i used to say, that it's not about hate, it's not about racism, it's about state's rights, it's about heritage. well, there's a big problem with that. a number of years ago i saw that problem myself and i'm speaking about it now. there are millions of americans both in the south and outside the south, black americans, who see that symbol as racial terrorism. they see it as a symbol of hate. that perceptions but, especially to those of us who used to defend the confederate flag came crashing down in a

>>reporter: the morning and not one of a journey he took through hollywood this is jack hunter and has taken a tale to tell that will be coming up in coming out on kron 4news. >>anny hong: happen saturday hopefully your being able to wake up and go back to bed and sleeping and hang out with us this morning as a college star of live look at the bay bridge and places like open a berkeley umbrella of a king of the crowded conditions this morning from a more sunshine and the south but partly " for san jose a village of the east of a plan for today as of called start this morning and " by lunchtime sunny and a for a liquid one of once again the '80s and land in proper 64 bay by 3:00 in will be warm to hot a little modest cooling will see no chipping budget he once again the upper 90s but we will get into ride around 92 upper 60s by 2:00 plenty of sunshine with the clouds burn off bar run around 11:00 to up the signs for cavalier play the arizona diamondbacks first pitch at 41563 in livermore 62 in san francisco law or six of the sun jose typical of the warming of it will be a little: but to

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hunter greeted mourners along a flag draped inside inside a packed state chamber. delaware zig any tears paid their respects to 46-year-old public sorry van patriot and father. among them governor jackkell. >> none of us i believe can really begin to appreciate how deep a loss it is for the family themselves and we grieve for them and we grieve with them. >> reporter: beau biden died saturday after a two-year battle with brain cancer the disease cut short a life and career that included two terms as delaware attorney general and service in the national guard. he was widely considered the front runner to become delaware's next governor. but for the hundreds and hundreds of regular folks who waited under damp and gray skies to say their goodbyes, it wasn't beau biden the politician but beau biden the person who touched their lives. >> he was a very goodman. a lot of people say that but he was like a people's person. >> very very nice person. very heartfelt and somebody you could respect. >> that's the story that needs to be told. that you can be in politics and be honest and have values and speak for familiar and working people. >> reporter: several folks in line told me that while be

hunter all beside a flag draped casket inside a packed senate chamber. delaware dignitaries filed past to pay their respects to the 46-year-old public servant patriot and father. governor jackkell said his goodbyes then comforted mourners outside legislative haul. >> beau was really good at everything he did and he was also extraordinarily humble and i think the fact that he was so grounded and so interested in hotter people there wasn't a superficial bone in his body and when he had a conversation with you, he was all about you. bow by ben died saturday after two year battle with brain cancer cutting short a life that included two terms as delaware attorney general service in the national guard and a widely anticipateed gubernatorial run next year. the hundreds of folks who stood in line to pay tribute included those who worked with and for the former ag. plus plenty of other who's simply appreciated this son of delaware's first family who built his own legacy of service to others. >> i feel for his children who he adored and his wife. just want to say goodbye. >> beau was just a person of honesty, integrity a person that far one liked. >> kind of guy that was a friendly g

hunter all beside a flag draped casket inside a packed senate chamber. delaware dignitaries filed past to pay their respects to the 46-year-old public servant patriot and father. governor jackarkell said his goodbyes then comforted mourners outside legislative haul. >> beau was really good at everything he did and he was also extraordinarily humble. i think the fact that he was so grounded and so interested in other people, there wasn't a superficial bone in his body and when he had a conversation with you, he was all about you. >> beau biden died saturday after a two year battle are you brain cancer cutting short a life that included two terms as delaware attorney general service in the national guard and a widely anticipateed gubernatorial run next year. the hundreds of folks who stood in line to pay tribute included those who worked with and for the former ag. plus plenty of other who's simply appreciated this son of delaware's first family who built his own legacy of service to others. >> i feel for his children who he adored and his wife. just want to say goodbye. >> beau was just a person of honesty and integrity a person that everyone liked. >> kind of guy that was a

hunters looking to take a cheap vacation. >> reporter: and you just saw some of the highlights. coming up we'll hear from some of the fans who saw this amazing on his quest, jack searched the globe for a flavorful spice coveted by kings and sultans. at last, he found it. exotic black pepper. jack knew what he had to do. trade his most beloved possession. and that's how far jack went to bring you the black pepper cheeseburger. black pepper cheese and peppercorn mayo. the black pepper cheeseburger. taste it before it's gone. >>> millions. federal workers have their -- millions of federal workers have their information stolen right outed of government databases and the feds think it might be the work of chinese hackers. i'm kiet do with a live report straight ahead. >> some problems continue to plague the bay bridge. the latest cause for concern. >> increasing sunshine around the bay area today and increasing temperatures, as well. we'll have the forecast coming up in a minute. >> we have a snag on the san mateo bridge. what that means for your morning commute. >>> good morning, everyone. friday, the weekend is here! it's june 5. i'm frank mallicoat. >> i'm miche

but tap hunter has some secrets and homophobic hollywood and the 1950's will talk about his book and his new movie coming. people began unraveling--people behaving badly next. on his quest, jacklobe for a flavorful spice coveted by kings and sultans. at last, he found it. exotic black pepper. jack knew what he had to do. trade his most beloved possession. and that's how far jack went to bring you the black pepper cheeseburger. black pepper cheese and peppercorn mayo. the black pepper cheeseburger. taste it before it's gone. let's mobile. same plan. new phone. or a new plan. and a just in case. add a new line. or three. and unlimited talk and text for unlimited tweens. take a carrier store detour at target and upgrade to a shiny new everything. now when you purchase one of these affordable plans get a $100 gift card. all things mobile. all in one place. >>here is stanley roberts who found some people behaving badly: >>stanley roberts: anywhere in the bay area can be rather difficult in this case it is just me and my camera and is under review to me there was this one and this one did not live as a parent because they're merely followed by a police officer with a ticket but in