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joining me now jack jenkins, the author of a great new book called american profits, the religious roots politics and the ongoing fight for the soul of the country. jack, good to see you again today. talk to me about this because a lot of religious leaders have indicated on social media and interviews their flocks are actually thriving. there are people who were not attending services who now attend because they're doing things virtually. there's a calling out for a sense of community amongst people who otherwise didn't think they needed that community, that they're realizing it. and there are others who are saying including the reverend dr. william barber the house is not essential to the practice of faith. so give me some context as to what's going on here with the president. >> it seems like there's been essentially two different strains of activism over the course of this pandemic. and one has been while there have been transgressions of social distancing across the religious spectrum those who milwaukee up a proportion of the president's base have taken it up as a cause to return to