jack johnson was a great one. i'm thinking about somebody that you all know very well and he went through a lot and he wasn't very popular then and he wasn't very popular -- no, i am not thinking about o.j. but he's not only you could say o.j., but he was -- look, he was not very popular then. he certainly his memory is very popular now. m thinking about that very seriously. and some others. and some folks that have sentences that aren't fair but i am thinking about mohammad ali. in fact, what we're doing right now recommendations on frankly we're doing recommendations on mohammad ali. say it, peter. reporter: [inaudible] president trump: no, i am not above the law. i don't want anybody to be above the law but a pardons are a thing for the president. you see the way i am using them. yes, i do have an absolute right to pardon myself but i will not have to do it because i have not done anything wrong and everybody knows it. there has been no collusion, no obstruction. it's all a madeup fantasy, it's a witch-hunt. no

i thought jack johnson which was membereded -- recommended by sylvester, i thought jack johnson was a great one. i'm thinking about somebody that you know very well and wasn't very popular then. > was it o.j.? president trump: only you could say o.j. look, he was not very popular then. his memory is very popular now, ali.hinking about muhammad i'm thinking about that very seriously and some others and some folks who have sentences that aren't fair. but i'm thinking about muhammad ali. in fact, we are doing ali.mendations on muhammad what? [indiscernible question] president trump: no. no, i'm not above the law. i don't want anybody to be above the law, the pardons are a very important thing for the president. and i have an absolute right to pardon myself but i won't do it because i didn't do anything wrong. there has been no clution. there has been no obstruction. it's all a made-up fantasy and witch hunt. no col like. the democrats have had massive collusion and obstruction and see what is happening. [indiscernible question] president trump: i haven't even thought about it. i haven't

i thought jack johnson which was recommended by sylvester stallone and some great boxers, i thought jack johnson was a great one. i'm thinking about somebody that you all know very well. and he went through a lot. and he wasn't very popular then. >> is it oj? >> and he wasn't very popular -- no i'm not thinking about oj. only you could say oj. but he was -- look, he was not very popular then. his memory is very popular now. i'm thinking about muhammad ali. i'm thinking about that very seriously. and some others. and some folks that have sentences that aren't there, but i'm thinking about muhammad ali. >> what will it take -- >> in fact we're doing right now recommendations -- frankly we're doing recommendations on muhammad ali. >> [inaudible]. >> what? >> [inaudible]. >> no, i'm not above the law. i never want anybody to be above the law. but the pardons are a very positive thing for a president. i think you see the way i'm using them. yes, i do have an absolute right to pardon myself. but i will never have to do it because i didn't do anything wrong. and everybody knows it. there's been

-- >> reporter: late last month he pardoned the late jack johnson, former heavyweight boxing champ, from sill advice store stallone. >> this is important to my friend of a long time, sly -- >> people in positions of power have learned how to speak trump, use the right combination of flattery and celebrity to get inside his ear. >> i, gerald r. ford -- >> reporter: the power of the pardon isn't something presidents have shied away from using in the past. >> -- do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon oun to richard nixon -- >> presidents have used to this settle political scores, toed is in messages, to do what i think the founding fathers intended it to do, to correct individual instances of injustice in the system. >> reporter: president obama commuted more than 1,700 stiff sentences, most for nonviolent drug crimes. president trump has taken a harder approach to those crimes. >> when you catch a drug dealer, you got to put them away for a long time. >> reporter: in fact, it was just last year that attorney general jeff sessions rolled back an obama policy that would have eased p

the e righted a wron jack johnson was not treated edirly. >> reporter: president trump has bypassed theditional justice department process for recommending clemency.s r dozenf other people. on you're fired. >> reporter: mr. trump has blagojevich, and lifestyle mogul martha stewart, both members of ,he "apprentice" tv franchise. and as the russia investigation continues, the president has ncso suggested pardoning himself, but some republicans believe that may be taking it to far. >> i don't know the technical answer to that question, but i think, obviously, the answer is hi shouldn't, and no one is above the law. dry did she receive clemency? ceiveporter: it is surprising because it does seem to go t,e even suggested the death penalty drugaffickey to drug policy. but this also may be explained by the fact that she didn't get a pardon. her sentence was commuted, so her jail time is over, but her conviction still stands. >> glor: and as you mentioned, paula, alice johnson is out tonight. paula reid, thanks. the u.s. air force today flew several children injured in the. for treatment of bur

alice marie johnson, okay, jack johnson, joe arpaio, scooter libby. a white house official said trump is obsessed as pardons, but the potential pardon of johnson has caused consternation with chief of staff kelly. is it the process or the end result? is it they're traditionalists and they think this is why we have a justice department and lawyers and months of meetings? >> i've got to say being bothered by traditional process is not a hallmark of this white house. i think that don mcgahn has tried more often than not to make actual policy get followed, particularly since the rob porter issue. john kelly i think does these things issue by issue and based on how he feels about them. again, this does not follow the normal process. to your point, should somebody have to be a celebrity or be able to be in a fox news green room to get the president's attention? that's a different subject. but on this particular case, it is still not clear to me and it's not clear to me from "the washington post" story why kelly has an issue here. what i think it is, i think

sylvester stallone. >> jack johnson was not treated fairly. >> reporter: and yesterday, he met with kim kardashian west, who's advocating for a pardon of a low-level drug offender. >> glor: paula, you've also been reporting on the russia investigation as it may relate to presidential pardons here. what is the latest on that? >> reporter: well, the president's former campaign chairman, paul manafort, could face over 15 years in prison, but i'm told that he is not cooperating because he is banking on a presidential pardon to help spare him any jail time. also, the president's personal attorney, could likely face charges in new york on a separate case, but is also expected not to flip on the president. so he, too, could be rewarded with a presidential pardon. but, jeff, presidential pardons only spare you federal jail time and don't protect you from anything filed by the states. >> glor: all right, paula reid, as the rains continue to roll in, in d.c., paula, thanks. in tennessee the hunt for the accused killer of a sheriff's deputy intensified today west of nashville. the reward money

i thought jack johnson, which was recommended by sylvester stallone and great boxers, i thought jack great one. i'm thinking about somebody that you all know very well, and he went through a lot. and he wasn't very popular then. and he wasn't very popular then. no, i'm not thinking about o.j., but only you can say o.j., but he's -- he was -- look, he was not very popular then. he certainly -- his memory is very popular now. i'm thinking about muhammad ali. i'm thinking about that very seriously. >> seems like maybe that wouldn't be a controversial pick, something many would celebrate if it weren't for one thing. muhammad ali doesn't need a pardon at all. the supreme court overturned his conviction of dodging the draft in 1971. ali's attorney put out a statement saying that essentially. there is no conviction from which a pardon is needed, he wrote. beyond that, the brez president looking to combine two of his passions, his power to pardon and attacks on football players kneeling in protest during the national anthem. >> we have a great country, you should stand for our national anthem

jack johnson.entially muhammad ali which are symbolic and interesting but of relatively practical significance. >> can we go back to the russia investigation comments he made for one second? just to note, the president tweeted this morning he was on his way to the g-7 and on to north korea and he's going to be done talking for a while about what he calls a witch-hunt or the russia hoax. i didn't clock how long that lasted, that silence on that topic. he was all too eager to take the questions and answer no obstruction, no collusion and talk about the investigation. >> yeah. he did avoid the word spy, though, david. he danced around it. he said things are going to come out -- they did something in my campaign you've never seen before in the history of the country. he didn't use the word spy. i thought that was notable because so many republicans have come out and broken with what has been their practice thus far to say no, actually there's no evidence of that. >> we'll see if that lasts. you don't u

question about pardons. 11 days ago the president issued the posthumous pardon for boxing great jack johnson. senator john mccain he senate, a big boxing fan. he tweeted his support for the pardon. with the president use this opportunity to call senator mccain -- will the president uses opportunity to call senator mccain and try to patch things up? >> i am not aware of a scheduled call. at.ould not get ahead of th the -- the tariffs that were imposed against canada, what in that reinforced the u.s. national security? in what form does the u.s. feel more secure now that canada has been targeted by tariffs. >> the president feels strongly that the steel and aluminum industries are critical to national security and our ability to protect herself. that would be the reference point in the 232. >> the special counsel did not the unconstitutional when president called on it to investigate his political opponent in the campaign. is it only unconstitutional when the president does not like it? >> the president has made his position clear. >> the president on friday said he is open to bilateral deals

. >> reporter: last month president trump pardoned jack johnson after an appeal from sylvester stallone. mr. trump is also considering pardonses for two former contestants on the apprentice, rod blagojevich and martha stewart. >> alice johnson was the 7th act of clemency by president trump. the white house is now looking at pardoning dozens of others. >>> a firefighter and two other people were slightly hurt by a wind-fueled fire in contra costa county. the fire is believed to have been started by a candle in a nearby homeless encampment about 5:30 yesterday afternoon. the fire sent up columns of choking black smoke as the flames quickly spread from dry grass into antioch. that prompted the county to issue a health advisory. >> obviously, petroleum products in their rubber tires, oil, hopefully no gasoline, but that's always a possibility, and so that -- the smoke from those kinds of fires is particularly nasty. >> firefighters stayed on scene for hours to put out any flare-ups. >>> defendants in the trial for the ghost ship warehouse are at odds today. a hearing is scheduled this morni

scooter libby, jack johnson. >> i'm not sure about jack johnson, but the rest of them there is a themepresidents do controversial pardons toward the end of their term. saw that with chelsea manning. trump is using it differently. he understands in order to survive the special counsel probe he has to keep his base together. so he's doing that to feed his base. but probably more importantly, to send a message to anyone who might hurt him that he will take care of them. >> you see this as a direct message to the likes of michael cohen. >> absolutely. >> that message is what? >> i'll stick with you. i'll be loyal to you if you're loyal to me. here is your get out of jail free. because i as president will use my executive powers to take care of you. >> meaning don't cooperate. >> don't cooperate. don't tell them what you know, and you'll be okay. >> dinesh d'souza was on fox and explained he got a phone call from president trump and the president explained why he pardoned him. so here's that moment. >> the president said, dinesh, you've been a great voice for freedom. and he said i've got t

we saw that with jack johnson, the boxer. but by and large, what we see are people who are quasi- celebrities in his sort of weird universe of, you know, politics, entertainment, reality tv. and so today was just a whirlwind. the dinesh d'souza pardon came out of nowhere, but it was something that was put on his radar by ted cruz. it's something that conservative activists have bemoaned. it's something that he himself has talked privately with aides comparing it to rosie o'donnell and donations that she made that were over the legal limit. totally different thing. but still it's something compared to. and then the stuff with martha stewart and rod blagojevich all tied into the apprentice. there's only two threads. one was that his enemies get punished and his celebrities get the benefit. >> and, jill, even staying in your lane as a straight-up day to day deadline journalist, you kind of put it into categories today, noting that this lacks the usual rigor, the usual process we've seen in pardons and acts of clemency. >> yeah.

when you look at this screen -- take jack johnson out of it. the making. what is the theme? >> he is flexing his presidential power and saying the law is unfair in many cases and i am going to defend those oppressed by the law. he is helping celebrities which i don't think is an accident. i think he is someone who understands what the public likes to read about and pardoning celebrities will get attention for this message he wants to send. >> if you are inside the halls of the justice department and your job is to root out public corruption and prosecute it. does this have a chilling effect? >> absolutely. it sends a message that the president is not necessarily going to stand by you. the president very early in his term is willing to flex this muscle aggressively and frequently. that could turn to other issues like the russia probe. >> patti blagojevich, rod's wife, talked about this last night. here is that from last night. >> the same people that did this to my family. secretly taped us and twisted the facts and perverted the law that ended

jack johnson was a great one.ut muhammad ali. i'm thinking about that very seriously, and some others and some folks that have sentences that aren't fair. but i am thinking about muhammad ali. >> muhammad ali's attorney responding that we appreciate his sentiment but a pardon is necessary. the u.s. supreme court overturned the decision in 1971. joining me now, host of "the van jones show," van jones. president trump also talked when he talked about pardons, he also brought in nfl players. take a listen to this moment. >> we have a great country. you should stand for our national anthem. you shouldn't go in a locker room when our national anthem is played. i am going to ask all of those people to recommend to me because that's what they're protesting people that they think were unfairly treated by the justice system. and i understand that. and i'm going to ask them to recommend to me people that were unfairly treated, friends of theirs or people that they know about, and i'm going to take a look at those applicatio

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. >> a week or so ago, he pardoned jack johnson, the famous boxer, after listening to sylvester stallonet when it comes to the nfl players saying they want to talk about social justice causes? he doesn't seem to want to listen. and i think that's what draws the ire of these players. >> welcome, everyone, to the white house -- >> reporter: this is not the first time the president has rescinded an invite. last year he called off the celebration for the nba champs the golden state warriors after star steph curry said he didn't want to go. >> throws it off the backboard! >> reporter: the 2018 finals are happening now, and basketball's biggest stars have already said the white house shouldn't count on a visit from this year's winner either. >> i mean, i know no matter who wins this series, no one wants the invite anyway. so it won't be golden state or cleveland going. >> i agree with lebron. the way we handled things last year, kind of stay consistent with that. >> reporter: president trump did break the tradition of inviting league winners by not we'ving out at all to the wnba champs, the mi

granted sylvester stallone's wish and posthumously pardoned former heavyweight boxing champion jack johnson. >> this was very important to sylvester stallone, my friend for a long time, sly. >> reporter: the president now talking about pardoning martha stewart, and commuting the sentence of former "apprentice" contestant, disgraced illinois governor rod blagojevich. at least three people have gone on fox news, appealing directly to the president. this is the wife of george papadopoulos, the trump campaign aide who pleaded guilty and is cooperating with special counsel robert mueller. >> i trust and hope and ask president trump to pardon him. i hope he will. >> reporter: sources tell abc news, the white house is working on a growing list of eligible americans, including people without celebrity status or support. one official telling us, "need to be ready when the boss is ready to go." >> so, let's get to pierre thomas, with us live from d.c. tonight. and pierre, sources telling abc news that the president is now pushing his staff for more names that he can pardon? >> reporter: that's right,

wasought jack johnson who recommended by sylvester stallone and great boxes, i thought jack johnson was who you all know very well, and he went through a lot, and he wasn't very popular then. and he was sent very popular then. i am not thinking about oj. only you could say oj. look, he was not very popular then. is-- certainly, his memory popular now. i am picking about muhammad ali. i am thinking about that very seriously, as for some others, and some folks that have sentences that are unfair, but i'm picking about muhammad ali. in fact, we are doing recommendations right now on muhammad ali. what, peter? [indiscernible] pres. trump: no, no. i am not above the law. i never what anybody to be above the law, but the pardons are a very positive thing for a president. you can see the way i am using them, and yes, i have an absolute right to pardon myself, but i don't have to do because i did not do anything wrong, and everybody knows it. there has been no collusion. there has been no obstruction. it is all a made-up fantasy, a witchhunt. no collusion, no structure, no nothing. now, the dem

jack johnson has been dead for 70 year. >> he's an out liar. >> look at martha stewart who served her time and done with that. trying to say it's sending a message to trump associates is silly. every president pardons people. some of their supporters say great. others will hate him. i have remember when -- >> those are at the end. >> the mark ridge pardon was a mistake. >> even chelsea manning's sentence was a mistake. >> every president will have their own view. i think for president trump, if he belongs someone is wrongly a persecuted, that's what he does. >> mr. d'souza pled guilty. he said i did it. the president feels it was unfair to mr. d'souza. he used that phrase about sheriff arpaio. he used it about scooter libby. he says it about president trump. scooter libby lied to a federal grand jury. martha stewart lied to fbi investigators. d'souza violated campaign finance laws. there's no question he's sending a message. his lawyer was dangling pardons which could be legally problematic in front of witnesses and defendants. >> they would not characterize it as dangling. there was

and in the history that he pardons jack johnson who was perhaps a legitimate great african-american boxer, that was recommended to him by sylvester stallone to do the part. there's a celebrity theme going on here in our prison, people that are sitting right now in jails for marijuana, charges for hasheesh and things, these people aren't getting pardoned. it's a sad speckical when you have kim kardashian in the oval office and he's defending roseanne barr's racist statements, and you have the original obama birther basher being par pardoned and all. it's the ugy grim side of trump's america. >> that was an interesting assessment by john boehner today and get you to reply to. because this party has no check on what he's doing. here's john boehner. >> there is no republican party. there's a trump party. the republican party has kind of taken a nap somewhere. >> and john kasich says he doesn't know what this gop is doing right now. what's going on? >> i think boehner said the republican party is taking a nap, and kasich said it's going dormant. it's in a coma. that's the true state of affairs

>> and remember, the boxer jack johnson who was part -- >> exactly. >> two weeks ago who sylvester stall o stallone. >> then you look at martha stewart, rod blagojevich, who was on "the apprentice." >> and martha stewart was prosecuted by comey. these things are supposed to be about mercy. they're supposed to be about taking a look at the pardon system, who should be there and who shouldn't be there and the applications you receive and go through a certain procedure at the justice department. this is kind of skipping the whole procedure part. it's another thing the president can do unilaterally and he's frtrated he can't do a lot of things unilaterally. >> he can do this. >> he can. >> you have been the thrust behind so mauch of this story. do you know if kim kardashian will go to alabama when she walks out of that federal prison? >> i couldn't say. but they spoke today as she tweeted. it it's an amazing thing. alice has an incredible family. she has a great support network in memphis, in arizona. i' very confident that that family will be very supportive and she's got a great opportunit

in his 16 months including a posthumous pardon of the first black heavyweight boxing champion jack johnsonervative commentator dennis desousa who pleaded guilty to campaign-finance violations and for the bush administration official scooter libby convicted in the 2003 leaked that reveal the identity of cia operative bowery plane. donald trump is also considering pardoning martha stewart and former illinois governor rod blagojevich who is not eligible for parole until 2024 and expert say we can expect and uptick of celebrities and others pushing the pres. to free their favorite felons. >> stay out of trouble. thank you. media frenzy over milania trump, some report said she was missing in action, the president of the coverage unfair and vicious. media buzz host separate fact from fiction. >> she went through a rough patch but is doing great and we are proud of her, she has done a fantastic job. people love you, the country loves you so thank you. >> she appeared at a female hurricane briefing with her husband which would have been unremarkable except much of the media ted her absence from th

he pardoned jacks johnson, the conservative film maker denish dsouza. just to make the differenceation here, commuting a johnson does not pardon someone. it lets them out of jail. you'll remember from the bush administration, president bush commuted the sentence of scooter libby but did notardon he him. on alice hnson, kim kardshian came to the white house on may 30th to meet with president trump on it. he -- she was talking about prison reform with ied kushner and requested that alice johnson'sennce be commuted urntly in alaba and t offender convicted of drug conspiracy and money laundering, part of a cocaine trafficking operation in tennes1996. in commuting her sentence, the white house says that johnson h accepted responsibility for her behavior and has been a model example in prison. the president is considering a petition for matthew charles, a person you'll be familiar with from watching dana perino's program here. he sold crack cocaine to an t years prison er in 1996nd for drug offenses. in 2016erhe obama administration, charles received a sentenc

even jack johnson, the one guy who probably deserved the pardon was convicted of violating a sex trafficking. there are three levels on which they are sending scary signals. one, as your earlier people on the show indicated, they are sending signals to potential witnesses. they are part of an obstruction of justice cover up. two, they are sending signals against squall justice under law. basic norms of equality. he is pardoning the rich, the famous. and, three, probably the most serious problem, is that he is sending signals that you don't even have to obey the courts. you can be held in contempt to violate a court order the way joe arpaio did and you are home free if you are a fan of donald trump. >> let's try to understand each of those three things and start with what the constitution says about the power to pardon. article ii, section ii. the president shall have power to grant repraoefs and pardoning for offenses against the united states, except in cases of impeachment. >> every power of the president is limited by the impeachment clause. it says if you commit treason, bribery or other

pardons that's included sheriff joe arpaio, scooter libby, dinesh d'souza, and the late boxer jack johnson. that last one, that last cause was championed by legal scholar sylvester stallone. ( laughter ) so, remember, if you ever get wrongly convicted, don't call a lawyer. call mickey rourke. and last week, trump floated the idea he might also pardon martha stewart and disgraced illinois governor rod blagojevich, after blagojevich's wife, patti, asked for a pardon on fox news. well that is-- going on fox news is one of the best ways to make sure trump gets your message-- other than writing it on his steak in ketchup. and, and cnn-- ( applause ) why not? we love meat jokes!" and cnn is reporting that the administration has prepared the pardoning paperwork for at least 30 people. "okay let's see who we got here, iron mike tyson, charlie sheen, the hot mugshot convict, the noid, hannibal lecter, fred flintstone, and osama bin laden. take that, obama. now you murdered an innocent man." ( laughter ) and-- thank you, jon. thank you. always there. >> jon: always there. >> stephen: according to on

i wouldn't encourage it about the jack johnson pardon. it's kind of a mixed bag here of different people it's a diverse group. >> martha: were going to speak with miss johnson right after the break, this one should president trump and we are moving on to the investigation here -- should he agree to be interviewed by special counsel mueller, 60% say yes, 32% say no. let's move onto the next one, did president trump's campaign coordinate with russia? back in june it was 40%, then in june it was at 42, now it's at 44%. the president has been pushing back so hard about the witch hunt on twitter. >> i think the alarming number is the increase in the number of people who think he may have been involved in some kind of collusion. people have been hearing about this for so long in the struggle has been going on for so long, you would expect people to become suspicious. let me turn to a question of whether he should be interviewe interviewed. that number doesn't surprise me and i don't think his lawyers are resisting this because they think he is g

host: why do you disagree with the jack johnson part? caller: that's absurd. he should not even have been charged with that crime. it was racist. he was charged with that cri because he was black. i am distracted tell you. that does not even face black america --se black america. t haveivil rights oran still d nothing like that. president's the pardons so far, boxer jack johnson, who died in 1946, convicted on charges of transporting a white woman across state lines. the chattanooga times free press 's pardons president so far political, sending a clear message. a was the political commentator prosecute high-profile u.s. attorney that donald trump fire, pre-borrow -- bahara.reet also pardoned sheriff joe will pile -- arpo. scooter libby was another pardon. he supposedly leaked the identity of valerie plain. ex- there is asked navy -- navy sailor who pleaded guilty to taking classified photos inside of a nuclear submarine. that is just a wrapp from the chattanooga times free press. after that pardon last week, we want to hear from you about president trump and

celebrities he feels have been wronged by the system ox jack johnson.the ring. >> i'm thinking about muhammed ali and some others. >> reporter: there's confusion. ali's conviction for dodging the draft was overturned by the supreme court in 1971. the family attorney thanked the president but saying that there is no conviction from which a pardon is needed. the move comes just two days after president trump commuted the sentence of convicted drug dealer alice johnson after being lobbied by kim kardashian drawing criticism from some who say the president needs to look beyond celebrities when exercising his pardoning powers. >> there's usually a legal process that goes along with pardoning people and commuting people's sentences. and the president just took one meeting with kim kardashian so there is some sort of criticism or speculation. >> reporter: but the white house says there are more than 3,000 pardons under consideration. and politics won't play a role in the decision-making process. >> he ta its merit. he takes a look at it, deliberates it, decide

i thought jk johnn, which was recommended by sylvester stallone a some great boxers, i thought jack johnsonhat you all know very well. and he went through a lot. and heasn't very popular then. >> o.j.? >> and he wasn't very popular -- no, i'm nothinking about o.j. >> jimmy: anyone if he was? oh, hi, guys. how you doing? all the best people. here's a guy trump might have to pardon. his laer, rudy giuliani. rudy's done it again. rudy tried a new tactic this week. instead of saying sething dumb on behalf of the presidt, he said something dumb on behalf of the first lady. he spoke at an event in tel aviv wednesday where he said melania knows reports of trump's affair with stormy daniels are untrue because she believes h husband, and weirdly melania's spokesperson said, hold on a second. is is a quote. she said, "i don't believe mrs. trump has ever discussed her thghts on anything with mr. giuliani." at's kind of all you need to know about what's up in that house. [ lauger ] how would rudy giuliani know what melania thinks? you watch him speak for two seconds, pretty clear he dsn't even know wha

. >> the jack johnson pardon is great, it's -- he died in 1946. the pardon that kim kardashian came to talk about, seems like it might have merit. but to just refer to a president, people may remember, barack obama had a clemency program where nonviolent drug offenders could apply to have their sentences reduced and there was a formal process in the justice department. and he commuted the sentences of more than 1,000 people in the latter part of his presidency because he thought that the sentences were too long. that's traditionally how pardons have worked through some sort of organized process, not through who was on "the apprentice" >> jeff, if you will stay with us, jennifer, as well, "the washington post" has some breaking news that we're just learning about the russia probe, on the phone we have matt zapotowsky. matt, explain what the report is. >> reporter: tonight we're reporting that prosecutors in d.c. -- federal prosecutors in d.c. have interviewed jim comey about andrew mccabe. andrew mccabe i'm sure everyone recalls was sort of the tar

just in terms as a practical matter, unlike jack johnson, who actually was convicted in a case widelybe unjust, the ali situation is different in the sense that there is no conviction for him to be pardoned for. >> of course muhammad ali is beloved around the world. what do you make of this? the president is considering pardoning another celebrity. of course earlier this week he did pardon alice johnson at the behest of kim kardashian. >> it is a bit of a shiny object. donald trump's entire life has been about attaching himself to celebrities that could rub off on him. he had a show called the "celebrity apprentice" at one point. this is somebody who has very much wanted to benefit by the company he keeps in this way. taking one of the most beloved famous men worldwide and saying, hey, i'm in this pardon routine right now. i'm going to pardon muhammad ali, it's just an embrace of somebody that he hopes can rub off good will for him. >> all right. so he talked about muhammad ali. he also -- reporters asked him have you thought about pardoning paul manafort or michael cohen, his persona

jack johnson, the boxer, for 50 or 60 years, had like conviction hanging over his head. he passed away. but he is righting wrongs. he is looking at the abuse of power to dinesh d'souza and others. >> harris: okay. >> melissa: i did not hear you ask whether or not what president obama did was appropriate. >> marie: is it appropriate to send a message to your officials? >> harris: how do you know that that is what he is doing? >> marie: i don't. my question was if that is what he is doing, it is inappropriat inappropriate. i advocated for president trump to pardon people like the boxer, like the people we have talked about who was let out of prison after 21 years. >> dagen: sending a message, using martha stewart as an example. this woman was not criminally charged with insider trading. i covered that trial. i was in the courtroom. she was convicted and sent to prison for five months for lying to federal investigators. if you look at the mueller probe, for out of the five guilty pleas are related to laying to the fbi not for collusion. >> marie: but that's illegal too. >>

or siylvester stallone walks in and let's do jack johnson.ese are wrong. >> the criticism is that the pro-kept her sentence from being commuted in the obama administration. >> yeah. and the process can fail and people should make that case. i guarantee you that president trump didn't review the process or ask about -- the fact that it wasn't done in the obama administration was probably enough for him to make this decision. that's not the way decisions should be made. i'm not arguing about the end result. the obama administration focused on nonviolent drug offenses in for possessions of drugs. this was about trafficking of drugs. but it still may be the right result. it's not the right approach. and ultimately, we're going to see a flurry of pardons and the rationale behind them are going to be in the main more political and more random and more driven by encounters like this than the substance of the cases involved. l no one thought much of it at all. people said it just made a mess until exxonmobil scientists put it to the test. they though

no one is talking about the pardon of the heavyweight boxing champion, jack johnson which is somethinghe obama administration had a chance to do butchose not to. people want to make this a political issue. the party pardoning of dinesh desousa was a one-off. - - a we thanny president to this point. will he pardon the mark riches of the world, of course not. those are personal friends of the president back then who had crimes committed against our government that were convicted. >>chris: if you were to pardon, and i emphasize is, pardon michael flynn or paul manafort. people that can conceivably give evidence against him, that's a lot more than mark rich. >> with all due respect to roger stone, i don't think he has any idea what he's talking about.this is not a sign. i don't know of the president's relationship with dinesh desousa. i don't think it was a strong relationship between them but he looked at that particular case, saw an injustice that was done.which was selective enforcement by the previous administration a campaign-fance violation. at the same violation roseanne barr has ad

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we saw, you know, sylvester stallone goes in there and says we need a posthumus pardon for jack johnson. and kim kardashians in there advocating for somebody the other day, and now you have dinish d'souza who in the political world is something of a celebrity. that's another aspect of this. donald trump loves famous people and i think much more likely to get a pardon if you are one. >> can i quickly quote from the excellent article? yes, she described dinegs d'souza as someone who's path logically drawn to pushing the bounds of civic discourse. who else does that sound like? sounds like president trump. >> thank you all. and i have to say, jails, i love your suit. i mean i do declare. we'll be right back. (baby crying) ♪ fly ♪ me to the moon (elegant music) ♪ and let me play (bell rings) benjamin franklin capturedkey lightening in a bottle. over 260 years later, with a little resourcefulness, ingenuity, and grit, we're not only capturing energy from the sun and wind, we're storing it. as the nation's leader in energy storage, we're ensuring americans have the energy they need, whenever

reporter: the question about pardons, 11 days ago the president issued a pardon for boxing great jack johnsonnents have been pete king and senator john mccain in the senate, both big boxing fans. senator mccain tweeted his support for the pardon. will the president use this opportunity to call senator mccain and try and patch things up with him at this moment in his life? >> sarah: i'm not aware of a scheduled call, i'm not aware of that. >> reporter: sarah, thank you. i want to share something with you. what tariffs imposed against canada reinforced the u.s. national security? >> sarah: i'm sorry? >> rephe tariffs imposed reinforced the u.s. national security? in what form the u.s. feels more secure now that canada has been targeted byariffs? >> sarah: the president feels strongly that the steel and aluminum industries are critical to national security and our ability to protect ourselves. that would be that reference point in the 232. holly? >> reporter: the special counsel didn't seem so unconstitutional when the president was calling on one to investigate the political opponents. >> sarah