the fourth mentor we all know and he's here in washington is general jack keene and david petraeus first met jack when he was working for general carl the chief of staff of the army at the time. and keene had been commissioned to stand up to the joint readiness ready center, the training center that focuses on low intensity conflict but it was unconventional at the time but we were really looking at large scale -- actually, the gulf war had just ended so that kind of warfare was not really welcomed or looked highly upon. and they needed someone with a huge personality like jack keene to use his force of personality to stand the center up and he would take petraeus' aide to the jrtc to check on how things were going and keene would pull petraeus over and what did the boss really think? and he was able to gather some insights to petraeus and petraeus spoke candidly to him and they had this instant rapport. jack keene calls it a visceral sort of rapport. and then everyone knows the story of david petraeus getting shot and, of course, jack keene was there with him when that happened but real

general jack keene keene was commissioned focusing on low intensity conflict but it to it was unconventional at the time because we were looking at large scale warfare's of that was not wellcome for the about highly upon. somebody with a huge personality to use that. he would take abizaid to check on how things were going been able to gather in sites if richer areas spoke candidly. was called the visceral report. and everybody knows the story of him getting shot. but that is what solidified their friendship and relationship then they were together for several assignments after that. the social network was of big variable but to look and his education obviously i could relate to the west point experience with a different curriculum to get access to records and look at what complex they wear setting lowered and elective but he never took it. but then read trace the most education and experience at princeton which is the utmost or to experience because it broadens his horizons to what was this indoctrinating. the third thing that we look negative was his experiences. his experience in haiti whi

the fourth mentor we all know here in washington as general jack keene's, and david petraeus first met him when he was working for the chief of staff of the army of the time, and she had been commissioned to stand at the joint readiness training center of the training center that focuses on the no intensity conflict or the side of the insurgency warfare but it was unconventional at that time because we were looking at a large scale. the gulf war met just started so it wasn't really welcome or it was looked upon and the need of someone with a huge personality like jack to use his personality so they would take petraeus's eight to check on how things were going and he would pull him over and say what does he really think and he was able to gather some insight from petraeus and he spoke candidly and the at this instant rapport. jack called it a visceral sort and then everyone knows there is a story of petraeus getting shot and he was there with him when that happened but really that was what i think solidified their friendship and relationship and then they worked together after that. oka

martha: i've spoken to general jack keen about this in the past, and he claims, he believes that thence that has come out has been interpreted by the israelis in one way and by the united states in another way. israel is clearly operating under its understanding of what is happening on the ground and their fear this it's going too fast and that they are getting too far too quickly. >> there are different timelines based on what you're describing, what general keen was describing. if you notice president obama chose his words very carefully in his speech e. talked about stopping iran from developing a nuclear weapon. but the israelis have a different criteria, a different red line. they want iran to be stopped from developing a nuclear weapons capability. it sounds like a distinction without a difference but it has an important difference. meaning it sounds like the terms that president obama is laying out if iran has all the pieces and the parts and the processes for developing a nuclear weapon, but actually doesn't go into assembly mode, then there is no need for action, there is no

megyn: kt, general jack keen was on this program, and he's very well respected, and he said it was the right thing for president obama to apologize because he said we need today try to acknowledge the unusual outrage that this culture has when the quran is desecrated by burning by our soldiers. and that it was necessary just to tamp things down. this was before all the violence unfolded. is there an argument to be made that president obama needed to do this, and the u.n. should be calling for this just to assuage to some extext the outrage that's taking place over there perhaps to safe more lives? >> yes and no. i really respect general keane, but you could have accomplished that apology at a far lower level. you didn't have to put the president of the united states on bended knee to apologize to the of afghans. america's a paper tiger, if we get mad and angry and go to the streets for america, america's going the retreat. we've got to understand the fact that we've probably -- militarily we may have won this war, but diplomatically and politically we may have lost this war, and the tr

general jack keen, thank you as well for being here. i want to get your thoughts on it.that is a possibility, would we be strategizing on it, and is it another reason for us to possibly support this? >> well, first of all, regime change certainly internally, that is, is the most desirable outcome here because it stops the nuclear program. all other activities, either a strike by israel, a strike by the u.s. or a combination of both delays the program. but i don't think anybody can speculate honestly about potential regime change as a result of an israeli strike or an american strike. i don't think it's knowable. frankly, i don't believe the resistance leaders themselves would have that answer, whether they can garner the kind of support they would like to have and also what the iranian state's response to that would be. they would pull out all the stops as they did in july 2009. so i don't think we have an answer. megyn: there's a piece by jeffrey goldberg with the atlantic out now talking about how this could be a moment like we saw for israel years ago with respect to

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