walker bush, jack kemp, and robertson supporters, so my friend was a jack kemp supporter, and he got the ball in the party appeared much to his chagrin, i wound up being a bush supporter. >> in the 1990's, you wound of the and in local politics. when did you decide to run for politics? >> that was much later. that was in 2002, post- september 11 because as a state senator, you cannot affect national policy, and clearly this was a threat to the nation. it was a significant proportion to anything we have seen in the past, except for pearl harbor. to me, it was a place you could make a difference in terms of the national security of united states and protecting your community and moving it forward. in michigan, we also had some of the economic challenges that still confront us to this day. this was the place where you could make a difference. >> why are so many members of the house running for president and not one sitting u.s. senator? >> there are three of us. he would have to ask the senate. i do not know. usually, it is the senate that one's of doing it, so i'm not sure. but you hav

former aide to jack kemp and ronald reagan jeff lord is back. judith miller is here. he is the author of the opinion financial group, matt mccall is back. good to see you. i can't get off this. sometimes things get in my mind and bother me. in light of the civility speeches that the president has given us. and in light of what he said in the 2008 campaign, i think this is worth playing again. watch this one more time, president obama in 2008. >> the problem is, is that the way bush has done it over the last eight years, is to take out a credit card from the bank of china, in the name of our children, driving up our national debt, from five trillion dollars the first 42 presidents, number 43 added four trillion by his lonesome. we now have over nine trillion dollars of debt. that we are going to have to pay back. $30,000 for every man, woman and child. that's irresponsible. it is unpatriotic. >> sean: reaction? >> 2008, i wish we could have him give the same speech now the a.m. he spent on the last few -- the amount of money he spent in the last

i first talked to jack kemp in savannah, ga., an evangelist for supply-side economics. by 1981, it split the democratic party. ideas can grow and develop. >> the young man right there in the yellow tie. >> he was a mere child when i first came to heritage. [laughter] >> a very provocative speech. the concentration of the power and individuals will heighten the ideological differences and by extension, high and the --- heighten the chances that it will come to an ideological grid lock. the defense cuts especially, but there is additional cuts on providers of medicare and other cuts to things that other politicians view very favorably. what is the odds that congress does what it does in the past with fixes and patches and continuing resolutions and waive all the consequences if it is to -- if it gets to the point? or will they let those cuts go and play? -- into place? >> nobody knows what they would do. they are caught in a genuine-- . we are almost at the end of a road where there are fewer and fewer choices. if the congress were to actually waive the bill, the reaction

developing supply-side economics and i was a candidate, losing my second race in 1976 and talked to jack kemp in savannah, and he was an evangelical for supply-side economics. and by 1981, it became something which flipped the democratic party and a third of the democrats voted for the kemp tax law. and ideas can grow and can develop. >> young man there in the yellow tie. >> thank you for your remarks -- >> a mere child when i first came to heritage. >> provocative speech at a lot of levels and you made one point about the concentration of the power of the committee, and 12 individuals, heightening the ideological differences and by extension, height then chances it will come to some kind of ideological gridlock and you referred to the question mechanism... the defense cuts especially, but, also, additional rounds of cuts on providers in medicare and other cuts to things that -- other politicians view favorably and what do you think the odds would be if congress simply, doing what it has done in the past with respect to doc fixes and amt patches and, waive all the consequences if it gets to t

bush jack kemp and the rob robertson supporters. so much to his chagrin, i ended up being a bush supporter. >> host: and then in the 1990s you were involved with local politics. when did you decide to run for the house of representatives? >> guest: that was later. that was much later. that was in 2002 post september 11th. after september 11th because as a state senator, you can't effect national policy, and clearly, this was a threat to the nation. it was a significant proportion to anything we've seen in the past except for pearl harbor. and so, to me, it was a place you could make a difference in terms of the national security of the united states and in terms of protecting your community and moving it forward. as you know in michigan we also had some economic challenges that still confront us to this day that this is the place where you could make a difference. >> host: why are so many members of the house running for president and not one sitting u.s. senator? >> guest: so there's three of us, so you'd have to ask the senate, i