jack kemp, the same thing. one thing to be careful of with newt gingrich have you noticed he gets in to this, he always created it. i did this at the start. he needs to use more modesty. >> dana: a debate between him and obama. >> eric: finish your thought. not close. >> bob: i don't think it's close between gingrich and romney. romney thinks he has a problem with healthcare. roll out what he said about abortion! >> eric: and immigration. >> greg: newt is so egotistical he compares him to newt gingrich. >> eric: registered republicans, 72% of them consider themselves conservative as opposed to moderates or liberals. so where has that vote gone? the herman cain conservative vote going? romney or gingrich? >> kimberly: somebody start up the romance music. newt has to get out and court and say he is the true conservative in the race. he is the one that can beat barack obama. he has good poll numbers on his side to show head-to-head on that regard. he has to tell them the comparisons with reagan, his answer is spot

he sounds very much like a modern-day jack kemp. it's an appealing message. >> a pro-growth message with substantial tax cutting as part of it. is that what you like? >> tax cuts, personal accounts for social security. one of the things i love, he wants to get rid of the congressional budget office, the bane of existence. he has innovative ideas, very attractive to conservative republican voters. >> joe, do you share this enthusiasm? >> no, i don't think so. i think gingrich has his schtick. >> schtick? >> real fundamental change, paul, dramatic change. this is the most important election since 1932, if not 1860. but, you know, he combines this rhetoric, this very expansive inflammatory rhetoric a lot of times with timid policy proposals. he gives the impression of doing too much while achieving -- >> give us an example. >> a real good one is medicare reform. you know, just a few months ago his grenade detonated when he went off paul ryan's medicare reform for premium support and said, you know, it's too radical, no one's going to a

jack kemp supported reagan's ultimatum on august 3rd, but after months passed and it was clear the strike had been broken, kemp pleaded with reagan and said, you know, mr. president, you've won. rehire these people. or at least most of them. save the country money, improve air safety and show mercy. it will be good. but reagan was not interested. in many ways the more expensive, the more dangerous his busting of patco was, the more that act was bound to impress one audience that reagan was determined to impress; soviet leaders. and so it came to pass that jack maher, so came to pass the moment that jack maher and so many others thought would never come, the mass firing of more than 11,000 skilled specialists and their banishment not only from their jobs, but their careers. for there was no other employer for people of this training in the united states. in many ways, i think, we're still picking through the wreckage from that collision that occurred 30 years ago now. one of the lasting legacies of that fateful event, it turns out, was the rapid dissolution of all u.s. workers' ability to

bartlett in his writing and his analysis he'll embrace he will say you know i i was i was a proud jack kemp guy served in the reagan administration for bush but the kinds of the kind of budget irresponsibility he's seeing on the republican side now he traces back to a desire on the republicans part to tax to soon act broad tax cuts without ever paying for them and he sees this is a very irresponsible thing. that a balanced budget amendment would be sort of another huge iteration of basically so i mean. reagan tripled the the. bush added george w. bush another six trillion dollars. so the republicans are and are screaming that we need to balance the budget is pretty ironic but it's completely parker see which are so they consistently added to the so what so we can get rid of that argument that they want to but they suddenly care about that since one thing they have been consistent on since reagan is tax cuts for wealthy people and the thing about about this their balanced budget amendment is that to raise taxes on anyone it's going to require two thirds majority is so right that there is rig

in the case of housing, i was reminding build vendor of this this morning, i worked with jack kemp starting in the mid '80s on how do you help poor people get into housing? there is a conservative way to do it. you teach them how to take care of their house. there is a frugality that allows relatively poor people to own homes and be successful. you don't just hand the money to buy a house, they cannot sustain it. if you are serious about meeting these goals, how would you try to do it? >> one of the freddie mac directors was quoted as saying we were hoping he would write something in support of the gef model to get conservatives on board. but that never happened. >> i looked at it and, again, government sponsored enterprises go all the way back to the founding of america. they can be useful -- no rational person was going to advocate creating a bubble. i used to teach economic history. the fact that something is good if you do it up to this point and say that you do it up to this point doesn't mean suggesting you ought to do it up to this point suggests it puts you over here. do i think we

>> well, i know that mine is designed based on the years i spent with jack kemp and others developing supply side economics, the years i spent helping pass the reagan program which created millions and millions of jobs and the years i spent as speaker of the house, both bringing unemployment down from 5.6% to 4.2%, and balancing the federal budget for four years, so i at least -- it's a little like going to a chef and saying how do you know what you're cooking in the kitchen will work? i've done a lot of cooking in my career. i'm pretty sure we can cook a lot of lot jobs and balanced budget and reform. i've been in the kitchen before and i've done it, so that's part of my confidence in just having done all this before. >> except then you can get spiked by something like china all of a sudden devaluing its currency down to the basement. suppose you had a democratic house and a democratic congress that didn't want to work with you. now you've got a real problem. >> well, then you have a different problem, but on the other hand, the purpose of leadership is to live in a real world and so

if you go on that in original design from jack kemp, we needed to end the division between capital andor. they are joined at the head. if you want labor to be more productive and wages to go up, and you need to invest more capital per worker. we tried that attach capital more heavily to labor, and it does not help labored all. so let's get rid of the capital gains tax in the most distressed areas. allow immediate expensing in the most distressed areas. so the announcement in detroit, the whole country is now one large opportunities and, and as such, every family will get an exemption or the poverty level income that relates to their family size. that uses up only 33 per sign of the total exemption. so 9-9-9 starts at the first dollar above poverty level for each family size. there will be business incentives for hiring, and what president clinton did was to take a lot of the terminology that kemp used but made it one size fits all, mandate-heavy, washington knows best, and ours will be the opposite. you tell us what is holding you back and we will have additional incentives for that. t

jack kemp and i worked an housing issues back in the '890s. i supported rick lazio strongly when he was in the house and we passed a housing bill. i believe there are practice ways to help poor people to get into house bug it's not by giving them mortgages they can't pay. it's about teaching them how to budget. how to take care of a home. i did a lot of work with the habitat for humanity, and the people who get the house actually help build it so they have a real investment and interest in their own home. my interest in housing and my interest in helping relatively poor americans buy a house goes back a long way. i was proposed to offer strategic advice. i do no lobbying of any kind. important point i want to make. i have never done lobbying of any kind. >> a couple questions. i am trying to understand exactly what strategic advice is because a lot of people made an awful lot of money off freddie mac and fannie mae. there's good reason for people to be prying and trying to find out exactly what this is and especially in the '930s people were m

he had done this with jack kemp going back years ago. conservatives would approach that particular issue. now they decided not to take some of his advice along the way. but consultants don't always get their advice taken. >> you're paid to give advice, not make them take it. >> right. rich, let me ask you about -- this is a guy who goes this to december. we aren't talking about caucuses in early january, who does haven't an infrastructure. even he says that. in iowa to deliver a caucus. who says in the near future we'll open five to seven offices. it's december, does he have the infrastructure to make this stick in the way the other candidates have not been able to stay near the top? >> no. clearly he doesn't at this exact moment. let's go back four years ago and the polling this week. nationally, on the republican side, giuliani had a 15% lead over fred thompson, who i was working for. you see how will i did there. and john mccain and mitt romney. on the democratic side, hillary clinton was plus 21 over edwards and -- barack obama. but

pleas for mercy and the rehiring of comptrollers even those coming from other republicans like jack kempe, then representative future vice presidential candidate for the republican party. jack campbell supported reagan's ultimatum on august 3, but after months passed it was clear that the strike had been broke in, kempe pleaded with reagan and said you know mr. president, you have one, rehire these people or at least most of them. save the country money and improve air safety, and show mercy. it will be good. but reagan was not interested. in many ways the more expensive, the more dangerous is busting of patco was, the more that act was bound to impress one that reagan was determined to impress, soviet leaders. so it came to pass that jack maher, so came to pass that moment that jack maher and so many others thought would never,, the mass firing of more than 11,000 skilled specialists and their banishment not only from their jobs for from their careers for there was no other employer for people of this training in the united states. in many ways i think we are still picking through the wr

caller: former assistant secretary of hud under jack kemp. i listen to an interview with her on jarvis and public radio in oregon. she said there was corruption in mr. kemp -- shed that said hud is being run as a criminal enterprise. she said there is "no government, this large defense contractors running the mechanism." she cited a spokesman who said that $500 billion to $1 trillion is laundered through the new york stock exchange. host: we have to leave it there. guest: wow. again, i can only speak to this program. i think this program was set up with the best of intentions. i am not talking about -- i am talking at the local housing agencies. people want this program to work. most people are in this program because they want to build houses. there has been delays and fraud to fester. host: to do any comparison between who got the grants and political contributions? guest: we did not. we have more stories planned. host: the door from massachusetts -- theodore. caller: these programs have been produced with great intentions in mind, but they

bob dole chose jack kemp. that did not work out for him. john mccain chose sarah palin.t: cape cod, massachusetts. caller: good morning. i am a strong supporter of freedomworks. i would like to hear mr. kibbe's response. let someone on who was an advocate for social security. i see $2.6 trillioni in debt. one in 19 americans -- received law firms who make a living getting people on to these programs. i do not believe the system is softened. -- is solvent. guest: you are right. look at both programs combined. there is over $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. this is scandalous that the government does not put that $100 trillion on the books. federal employes have -- to move from right defined benefit to a defined contribution, where you have more control over the money that you earn and how it is managed as you move towards retirement, and how you spend it in retirement. you have to get young people off of those unfunded liabilities. the democrats will demagogue that. everybody knows that the current system is bankrupt. how do we protect current seniors? host: back to

i listened to the interview and she said that jack kemp would bring up horrible corruption, tell them to stop it, but then would tell subordinates to say that she fails. she went on to say that hud is being run as a criminal enterprise and can not be run that way unless intentionally run that way. she says that a spokesman from the justice department said $500 billion to $1 trillion a year of drug money is laundered through the new york stock exchange. host: we will have to leave it there and see if our guest has a response for you. guest: wow. i can only speak to this program. i think the program was set up the best of intentions. i think there are good people that have been involved for years at the local housing agencies. people really want this program to work. most of the people i have talked to are in it because they want to build housing. i just think there has been chronically a lack of oversight both at the federal level and the local level and that has the lot -- allowed fraud. host: did you do any comparison between who get the grants and political contributions? guest: we

do i happen to believe that our former colleague, jack kemp, was right when he said we shouldn't worship at the alter of a balanced budget, but we all know that with this $15 trillion figure that my friend from spring hill pointed to, we need to do everything we can to reduce that debt and our annual deficit. but it's important for us to focus on economic growth and that's why i congratulate those on the joint select committee who are working on that and i believe that that's something that we need to do. but having a balanced budget does not guarantee job creation and economic growth. yes, of course having a degree of fiscal solvency goes a long way towards generating a climate that can make that happen. but we need to have pro-growth economic policies and fiscal restraint is only one of those tools. and so that's why i believe that as we look at the challenges that lie ahead, i don't want to say to the american people that i'm going to protect you from your future leaders that you're going to elect. the american people deserve the congress that they elect. i personally think they deser

bob dole chose jack kemp to energize his campaign. john mccain chose sarah palin and that didn't compensate for the weaknesses of the candidates himself. caller: i'd like to hear a brief response. you just had a guest on earlier that was an advocate for social security. he's trying to say that -- i see $2.6 trillion in debt. i see negative cash flow. i have see one out of every 19 americans on s.s.i. we see law firms like bender&bender who make a living out of getting these people onto these programs. i don't believe the system is solvent. i'd like to hear mr. kibbe's response on that. guest: if you look at both programs combined there is over $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities over the life cycle of those programs. if that was a private pension fund people would be in jail. and to me it's particularly scandalous that the federal government doesn't even put that $100 trillion on the books. the only way to get out of that is do what private companies have done. it's not controversial. it's what federal employees have. that's move fr

bush, jack kemp and ron paul. think about what mr. bartlett is saying in his last sentence. republican would rather play political games rather than putting people back to work. they would rather fiddle while rome burns instead of putting out the fire. look at the republican track record since the start of the 112th congress. no jobs bills. not one. but we found time to debate bills defunding planned parenthood and national public radio. there's no extension of the payroll tax cut or unemployment insurance. but we can spend hours debating the need to allow unsafe people the right to carry concealed weapons from state to state. no effort to take away tax breaks for oil companies who continue to make billions of dollars in profits each month. but we can find time to make our air dirtier and our boughter less safe by dismantthelling clean air act and clean water act. seriously, madam speaker, the agenda of the far right continues to dominate this house leadership. that agenda is out of touch with the needs of the american people. we have a jobs crisis in this country. the rich

do i happen to believe that our former colleague, jack kemp, was right when he said we shouldn't worship at the alter of a balanced budget, but we all know that with this $15 trillion figure that my friend from spring hill pointed to, we need to do everything we can to reduce that debt and our annual deficit. but it's important for us to focus on economic growth and that's why i congratulate those on the joint select committee who are working on that and i believe that that's something that we need to do. but having a balanced budget does not guarantee job creation and economic growth. yes, of course having a degree of fiscal solvency goes a long way towards generating a climate that can make that happen. but we need to have pro-growth economic policies and fiscal restraint is only one of those tools. and so that's why i believe that as we look at the challenges that lie ahead, i don't want to say to the american people that i'm going to protect you from your future leaders that you're going to elect. the american people deserve the congress that they elect. i personally think they deser