i loved jack kemp like you did. upbeat person who made a point of going out and reaching out to the poor, to african-american communities, to minority communities and selling the message that the american dream was theirs, too, and then coming in with specific policies that undergerted that belief. i don't see much of that in congress. the green shade crowd is back in charge and i don't think that is very appealing to many people. they look like sour pusses. >> you're right. i can almost make a case, larry, that in the last election barack obama was the pro-growth optimist and that mitt romney was the pessimist and kemp always wand that high ground which reagan always had. the point i want to underscore that you just said and then i'll bring the others in, i knew jack, jack was such a dear friend. jack talked constantly about reaching out to minorities, empowerment zones, school choice for example, home ownership. it was jack kemp who worked with charlie rangel to create empowerment zones here in new york and elsewhe

and they listen to jack kemp.ay, my fear is the republican party, the message is, we want to make nice to you, and come to your dinner once in a while so you vote for us. >> not even once in a while. but look at in terms of immigration. >> rubio has the policy right. but whether he'll be followed, i don't know. >> you had ronald reagan who did amnesty. >> i was for it! i'm for it today. i don't care what the wing of the party said. it was basic amnesty. not really amnesty, but effectively. >> you have bush junior, who was clearly saying that we need to do something on immigration. you have rubio now trying to do something on immigration. >> 65% of the voters of this country favor rubio's plan. that was in mclaughlin's poll. 65%. where are the republicans on this? >> see, that's my point. as soon as rubio goes out and leads on it, he starts getting hit by the far right. >> that's why i'm still worried. >> i actually think he's done a pretty good job of selling this. he went straight into the belly of the beast, tal

and equality. >> what does it say, benji, jack kemp, that's not that long ago.re nostalgic, until even a bush -- what happened that they're so far right that the republican party has no sense of what the mainstream is concerned about? >> this is one of those problems when you don't have a clear leader. when there was president bush, he never got credit from liberals at the time, but he was keeping a lid on this stuff. bush was a believer in a lot of kemp. his passion in addition to conservatism was derived from kemp. without that, first there were no leaders and you just had the tea party movement rising up and and then a lot of these leaders are in the conservative house district mostly. so you end up without someone to lead them and say, look, i talked to people outside our group, and these certain things are deal-breakers for them. i know it sounds great when you're talking to each other, but priebus did address this a little bit. he talked at the i had logical cul-de-sac that republicans were driving around in where they never stopped to hear what other peop

the feet of the meetin -- take at the end of the meeting, president steve forbes won, president jack kemp won three times -- >> ron paul. >> president george allen, who went on to lose two senate races in virginia. >> if the republicans want to become the permanent minority, they will listen to cpac. [laughter] i rise in defense of this libel the group is mostly young people, very enthusiastic, which is why rand probably has a bill, and i suspect it is more libertarian than the old fuddy-duddies. but the question of isolationism, what rand paul is advocating is different from what mccain and others and even rubio would advocate. but it has appeal and will be interesting to see if the foreign issues paul can carry the day. lois, three of us, mark, action,w ron paul in and who were his biggest fans? young people. >> no question. years, thest 12 republican edge on foreign muscular,this let's go around the world, it has receded, and it is a political liability a lot more than it was 12 years ago. after iraq and afghanistan, there is far less appetite for interventionist america. >> last word.

i think jack kemp on the other side would agree as well. but from '95 and '96 and '97 when paul was writing what he was writing about deficits and i think for the most part was deficit hawk we were going out and we would fight on the floor but have an amendment on the floor, we're going to slash a million dollars from this wasteful program and 200 million from that. then in '96, '97, '98 when the economy was growing, i said to my colleagues did we just waste three years? because when all of that revenue started poring in and the economy was growing the way it did, 21 million new jobs created in the 1990, it was almost like this tidal wave of cash flooded in and suddenly these deficits that we've been so concerned about, they did go away. so the question is how do you do that? jack kemp said you would do it one way, paul krugman said do it another way. that's why i say i'm not so concerned about short-term deficits because the long run projections are so different. >> if you're not concerned about short run deficits -- >> if the economy grow

i come from the jack kemp school of republican party which does believe in tax cuts.ain, this is our plan on the table. president should come forward with his and we'll go forward from there. this is a divided government. the republican realizes that. we're going with what we feel is our best case. and it's really not challenging, but it's asking the president come forward with his. the fact that he's coming in tomorrow. we'll go over some of these issues with him. and it will be a good first step. >> you know what's kind of amazing about that. some of your fellow republicans, just like you, you know what, he's doing a good job. john mccain called his comments sincere. lindsey graham called it serious. i want to play for you what senator tom coburn said about the president sunday on "meet the press." >> he is moving in the right direction. i'm proud of him for doing it and i think it's a great thing. >> now, that's a republican coming out and supporting the president. it sounds like it's more than just rhetoric. it's more than just a visit. do you agree that this is a

. >> you know, reagan's economic advisor, and jack kemp. >> greta: the empowerment zone. >> no one has and revisited that because if you don't have that small business growth in the urban communities, if you don't have good quality education and opportunities, you're going to see the crime, the gangs, the drugs, and all these things tearing apart the community. the third and fourth generation welfare. young ladies continuing to have children out of wedlock because government says they'll give them a check for it. >> greta: i hope the republicans and democrats pay more attention to those communities. i'm turning now to a question of what's going nonnorth korea. apparently they're beefing up our security because north coreways rattling the -- saying they're going to attack us. >> sure. one thing you have to look at, the military teaches you, you have to consider the enemy's most dangerous course of action, not his most likely course of action. it was 30 years ago that ronald reagan on march 8, 1983, gave his evil empire supreme. if you listen to that speech, when he talked about nuclear

some of those in the past who have won the cpac straw poll, jack kemp was a three-time winner, phil grammer, rudy guiliani, george allen and ron paul was a two-time winner. not a president among them on that bunch. i guess the question is, what's the significance of this announcement once we find out who the winner was? >> it sort of takes the temperature of this room some of the movers and shakers in the conservative movement. some of the opinion makers, a lot of tv and radio people opinion makers are out in the crowd. and they sort -- it sort of takes their temperature and what they're talking about on the street. there is a lot of time and distance between these events and actual people casting ballots in november, either the midterms or the presidential election. >> molly? >> yes? >> this is arrest they will. pardon the interruption. we just got word from our producers, rand paul has won the straw poll. coming in at second, marco rubio. so there you have it. rand paul, senator rand paul coming in first, the republican from kentucky, and senator marco rubio coming in at second place th

think about why people used to going to public service to think about someone like ted kennedy or jack kemp to help people because they cared i don't think of those people if they were young today they wouldn't do that. they might start organizations to focus on education in inner-city is and in fact that's what many of them did in the leader parts of their lives. so, we need to call young people back to service and this sort of great young talent getting out of politics and in doing great work in these other sectors back into the political process to get >> host: how do we do that? how does the political class and the current apparatus attract more young people? is it irrepressible? >> guest: the people going into politics a lot of them are coming through the same sort of career approach rising up through the ranks of running for city council and wanting to -- a young career politician is no better than an old career politician. there needs to be a generational commitment to do this. if you have a group of people to do this than you could make an impact. it's not to be someone like a jim w

if you think about why people use to go into public service, somewhat ted kennedy or jack kemp, these great leaders who went into how people because they cared and because they thought it was a form of service, i don't think if those people were young today they would do that. they wouldn't go into politics. they might start organizations in inner cities. in fact, that so many of them did in the later parts of their lives. so we need to call young people back to service. we need to call this brain drain, all the young talent that's going out of politics and into doing great work in these other sectors back into the political process. >> host: how do we do that? how does the political class and the current apparatus attract more young people? >> guest: it's very difficult i think at this point because the young people were going into politics, a lot of them are coming to the same sort of career approach, rising up through the ranks, runnin runnir city council and then wanting to run, and a young career politician is no better than an old career politician, someone who has ambitions of

. >> it was ronald reagan and jack kemp who supported the idea of the earned income tax credit so people who were poor wouldn't have to pay their money to the tax man so they could use their wealth and use their resources to build their income and become part of the middle class. are you saying you don't support that concept? >> i think you make the system much more complex when you start exempting this group and that group. the fact of the matter is, if we have a fair taxation system, the economy is going to explode. you're going to have plenty of money. if you want to do something for those people in terms of money that you want to give to them or some program you want to make available to them, i'm all for that. but once we start tinkering with the system and saying, let's change it here and let's change it here and let's make an exception for this group or that group, then we get away from fairness. >> we're going to leave it there. many thanks, dr. ben scarson, a always, sir, appreciate your time. all best of luck on your pending retirement. coming up on kudlow, new charges of a che

i come from the jack kemp school of the republican party, which does believe in tax cuts. again, this is our plan on the table. the president should come forward with his and we'll go forward from there. this is what this is about. this isn't divided government and if paul realizes that, the republican leadership realizes that, we're going with what we feel is our best case. and he's asking the president to come forward with his. the fact that he's coming in tomorrow, we can go over some of those issues with him and it will be a good first step. >> he's coming in. what's amazing about that, some of your fellow republicans just like you have said he's doing a good job. john mccain had dinner with the president, called his comments sincere. lindsey graham was at the dinner, too, called it serious. i want to play for you now what senator tom coburn said about the president on sunday on "meet the press". >> he is moving in the right direction. i'm proud of him for doing it and i think it's a great thing. >> that's a republican coming out and supporting the president. this soun

about why people use to go into public service and you think about somebody like ted kennedy or jack kemp or these great readers who went in to help people as a form of service i don't think those people who are young today would do that. they might straight organizations to focus on organization in inner cities and impact that is what many of them did in the later parts of their life. we need to call young people back to this brain drain of all this great young talent going out of politics and doing great work in some of these other set is backing of the political process. >> host: how do we do that? how does the political class in the current apparatus attract more young people? is irreparable? >> guest: it's very difficult at this point because the young people going into politics a lot of them are coming from the same approach, rising up through the ranks of running for city council and wanting to run. a young career politician is no better than an old career politician. we need people who have this sense of service and the sense of getting back into politics. i think it's a really to

. >> yeah, they've got to go back to reagan and jack kemp to stop acting like consequence at this patedants and get focused on what makes this economy grow. and the way you get revenues, not by raising taxes, by growth. if we had normal growth rates, we would get another 4 or 500 billion right off the bat. that's what they should focus on. all a means to an end. on social security, stop coming across that you're going to, you know, do something to grandma and instead talk about the idea, which they haven't, they don't touch it, of having accounts for young people with proper controls where they own the fruits of their labor, not washington politicians. make it positive instead of this -- as you say, root canal, that was more graphic. >> i think that -- i don't want to get -- i want to talk about the corporate tax, but i want to add to this, i think in a sense obama was right. and i think boehner is right. i think a lot of republicans go too far in this whole point. the immediacy of this crisis -- look, even the cbo says you've got ten years or so before the deficit starts going back up

chait writes, he began as a disciple of jack kemp.e wing of republicans demanding that bush increase the deficit even more. he castigated bush's tax cuts as far too small. that's right. ryan once believed that his party didn't take on enough debt. ryan said during bush's first term quote, they fear increases in the debt and they were overlooking issues of growth, opportunity and free markets. in fact, republicans didn't used to be the party of deficit cutting at all. this graph shows the federal debt as a percentage of gdp. you can see that from 1960, until 1980, both parties worked to keep the debt down. but that changed when presidents reagan and bush came along and the debt ballooned. president clinton began reigning in the debt before president george w. bush came along and exploded it once again. paul o'neill, the treasury secretary under bush 43 once wrote that dick cheney told him, you know, paul, reagan proved deficits don't matter. now the party has decided cutting the federal debt is a winning method, despite polls showing t

the big names at that time, not only the president but also jack kemp. think that cpac in the '80s, they policed the fringe much, much better than gets done today. it will be a net/net loss in there is something fool that i shall will be said by the likes of donald trump and that becomes the story out of cpac. they nude new faces is what they need. it can't be the same old same old. if you're going to have sarah palin and rick santorum and newt gingrich, you're not moving the football forward. >> if you look at the speeches, and we have the list and it shows the amount of time being allocated to each speaker. but donald trump and sarah palin are also the speakers who are getting the most time as well. >> look, chris christie ought to be there. if i were whispering in the ear of the folks putting cpac together, and they don't want to hear from me, how do you not bring arguably the most popular governor in america to cpac. you're not going to tell me he is not conservative? he is certainly not liberal. let him define himself and get out on that stage. >> o

think about why people used to go into public service, you think about someone like ted kennedy or jack kemp or these great leaders who went in to help people, because they cared and thought it was form of service. i don't think if those people were young today they wouldn't do that. they would focus on education in inner cities and that's what many of them did in the later parts of their lives. so, we need to call young people book to service. we need to call the sort of brain drain of all these great young talent going out of politics and into doing great work in other sectors, back into the political process. >> host: how does the political class and the current apparatus attract more young people? is it irreparable. >> guest: it's very difficult because young people going into politics, a lot of them are coming through the same sort of career approach, rising up through the ranks of running for city council and then wanting to run -- and a young career politician is no better than an old career politician. someone who has amibition in the future. we need people with a sense of service an

i think jack kemp, bill bennett, certainly dan quayle, who stood against some of the most incredible onslaught, unfair in my judgment, that has ever been dumped on anybody in the political history of this country, and responded with grace. he could have justifiably responded in kind, but he chose not to do so, and i think he's a better manor i that he has set himself up to at let be a player in the 1996 campaign. >> here's what the book looks like, anyocan see mr. thomas right there on the cover. >> a face only a mother could love. >> "the things that matter most," debunking "fuzzy-headed liberals." thank you very much for joining us. >> brian, it's always a >> to believe in something that is so right, so dear, so necessary you have to get in trouble but before regarding any trouble as students and young people we studied. we didn't just wake up one morning and say we were going to go sit in. we didn't just dream one day that we were going to come to washington and go on a freedom ride or if we were going to march on washington as we did in 1963, that we were going to march to selma

jack kemp was one of those guys that found the way to use the tools of government to create an argument for empowering yourself, putting those resources to the improvement of a community and betterment of people. that is one of our strengths that we need to get back to. call, glenn joins us from wisconsin. caller: good morning, mr. steele. i am good for an old fart. [laughter] a two-part question regarding the american legislative exchange council. i would say that in the 2010 that the republicans hit several home runs where the bases were loaded and democrats were sitting on the box. with what is going on now, going ,ack to when you were chairman did you have any interaction with alec and their 2000 and state houses and what they were able to do with coalescing so many state houses and the legislative thing? being that i am in wisconsin and the brouhaha that we went through here? i was one of those crazies that went to madison several times to protest. today inviews on it relationship to the way that the party is going, being that they are on a more conservative bent back and have a lo

this is a guy that grew up working for jack kemp. he knows how to articulate a message on taxes and tax cuts. he would like to reform the tax code. that is his next project. remember bob dole was on the ticket in the 1970's with gerald ford. he comes back 20 years later and is a republican nominee. ryan, because he was on national ticket so early, he has a long career, decades ahead in congress, where he will continue to be a player. host: our next caller is from springfield, oregon, on our line for independents. good morning. caller: good morning. i hope the party follows senator ator cruz's dialogue about not telling americans on american soil. same big promises, we want smaller government, we do not want to do unnecessary wars and stuff. same with obama. he ran on shutting down guantanamo bay and closing down big brother. he made all worse. i guess that is what i want to say, not so much the speeches, but the execution. host: thank you for the call. let me sherry what -- -- let me share with you what bill kristol writes this morni