if we did one simple thing jack kemp believed in. in those zones, zero capital gains tax.at will invite investment. that will invite job creation. local governments as the former mayor of cincinnati, we need to attack the problems of crime and safety in our neighborhoods. and together we can build an infrastructure that is attractive to industry. but this president, his whole program in reality has been anti-capital, anti-serious job creation and government expansionist in nature. >> ken blackwell, always great to get your thoughts. thank you very much. >> thank you, gretchen. >> new changes to the controversial nsa spying program. president obama meeting with key lawmakers on the issue today. we're learning president may reign in spying on leaders and limit access to phone records. these documents follow a month long review of the program. former adviser to the uk's ministry of defense. dan, former secret service agent and gary, former cia and director of concerned veterans for america. good to see you, gentlemen. let me start with you. we don't know what the president is

jack kemp would have horrible fights come in, with bill graham and others and then they would come together and they would come up with a tax reform plan. they would be constant battles on the budget. there were a lot of different ways forward and the conservatives we believed even into the '90s come in 1994, we always talked about alleges the laboratory of ideas. you talked about the market place of ideas. we always talked about three -- the free market place of ideas. would close the doors, we did go down stores, we would debate nonstop among ourselves until he came up with the best plan for reform to move forward. that's just not the case anymore. in washington, d.c., if you get off the path a little bit to the right or a little bit to the left, the there's an ideological witch hunt that people suggest you are insufficiently conservative and insufficient republican. that's the easy part. that's the 90% party. that's a record low party. you go outside of this city, that i love and that i love living in and i've loved working in, but politically go outside of the city and the republican pa

>> well, jack kemp had the idea, late jack kemp 30 years ago on enterprise zones and rand paul was evenversion he unveiled three weeks ago. the key thing is not pouring in more federal money. the key is easing tax burden so people rise up. reducing and slashing property taxes. rand paul proposed reducing income taxes, getting rid of capital-gains tax, corporate tax. while we're at it, how about having real choice in education so you get good schools in the areas again. we know what works. the key thing will the president unveil something that goes beyond throwing more money on project that is haven't worked in the past and allow entrepreneurs to rise up and resurrect these areas. martha: what we've seen so far, we'll get more details from the president today, looks like in the tens of millions to fix up urban housing developments that fallen into disrepair. we all see examples of those all over. they're very sad. buildings that are in need of repair. education. more money, to, put toward education. as you point out, there are other options out there. we've seen in places like newark, ne

this is to me a very exciting time the spirit of jack kemp is back because you hear people like paul the chair of the budget committee, talking about things like enterprise zones in places like detroit. you hear marco rubio who is going to really go on a campaign talking about steps that will help people get back to college, job training. you hear people, rand paul, going out and visiting people, listening to people. this is a very exciting time for the party. it's not about giveaway but saying, people, we believe in work and we're going to help you find a way to climb up the economic ladder. >> interesting. we'll see how it plays out as we get closer to midterms. have a great day. thank you for your time. >>> how are the nfl and church alike? it's not because you go to both on sundays. i do. they both get special nonprofit status but someone wants to change that plus planning a trip to one of the country's most popular national parks? you may want to rethink that when you hear about the super volcano lurking below the surface. we all know, this it's cold out there. tweet me yophotos

they haven't worked but the second, i actually heard echoes of jack kemp.now and frustration here is if the cuttings of red tape, tax incentives to grow the economy, why just five communities? why not the entire country? melissa: yeah. i mean except for that is it costings money? they're doing tax incentives. are they also spending money on schools? i feel like there is more to it. i had the same reaction, i heard we're encouraging businesses to hire people by bringing down taxes in these areas and creating rewards, i thought, wow, great idea but i feel like that is not the whole story. >> it is never the whole story with this white house. melissa, it was 2013 state of the union address he talked about doing this for 20 communities. so our office has been sort of trying to dig in what details are available. melissa: yeah. >> with this white house there is always a hook. it is not just trying to provide certain tax incentives and cut some regulatory red tape that slows down business development but now they also want to do a bunch of social welfare, a bunch

. >> i'm always been -- i'm a reagan guy, a jack kemp guy. i've always believed that, but mr.tephenson, the low-hanging fruit, the brainiacs, we need more visa, the foreign students that go to m.i.t. stay here. i think even we should let the kids of the illegals get the tax credits and let them stay here too, but i think you have a bloody battle on more visas for the low-wage workers and this whole trade-off between border security and legalization. >> but look, at the end of the day, if we put a process in place where maybe they pay some kind of small fine, and then after a period of time get at the end of the line to be legally into the country, i think there is a process there that people could rally around and get their heads around. i do think this is critically important for our country and critically important for getting us growing. >> all right. great stuff, at&t chief randall stephenson and the business roundtable. i appreciate it, sir, and wish you all best of luck. >> thank you so much, larry. i appreciate it. >>> the u.s. government has figured out just how those

jack kemp like enterprise zone plan. great way to use it?we might agree on some things but the fact is you talk about the country needing it. do we really need this move to reduce greenhouse gas pollution by 17% by 2020? that is one of the things he may do by executive order. >> he is so conceited. i don't think this is a good way to create policy. but there are things, especially in the energy domain the president could use the executive order to help the economy. for instance, he could allow through executive order more offshore drilling through the atlantic and pacific. there is an argument to be made he could permit the keystone pipeline. >> sorry to cut you off but we have to move it along. the fact is these are contentious issues. it's true if it was blocked for politic sake it's one thing but these are issues for where people disagree. >> i'd like to compare executive ords with those ronald reagan grey with those president obama has given. reagan used executive order to give power to the citizens. president obama did the opposite. >>

remember jack kemp when he was the hud secretary, and enterprise zones, empowerment zones.y have had mixed success in stimulating growth in urban areas, and the obama administration wants to extend this into rur ro -- rural towns and places that have seen decay. there is a tax component, the question is it going to be flying in congress? perhaps one positive sign in that regard, and no coincidence that'sern kentucky was one of these promise zones that was named, both mitch mcconnell and rand paul were on stage with the president, all of them rand paul, paul ryan, marco rubio, all of them posing their own version of this. so it stands to get somewhere, but there are no safe bets. >> some republicans are supporting this but there are others who are not. what is the politics in the places that have been selected. >> everybody has been looking under the stones to determine if there is some sort of pattern here. i don't think you can really draw a straight line there. there was a long application process. mitch mcconnell said today that he actually wrote to the president asking

jack kemp line was the hot secretary in enterprise zones, empowerment, mixed success in stimulating growth. the obama administration with the promise zones wants to extend that into rural areas, smaller towns that have seen the industrial infrastructure decay, factories that have been closed for years. now, there is a tax credit component. it is a big component. the question is is it going to fly in congress. perhaps one positive sign in that regard, and no coincidence, eastern kentucky was a promise zone that was named. mitch mcconnell and rand paul are republican senators from kentucky. all of them - rand paul, paul rip, marco rubio, all proposing their own version. it perhaps stands a chance of getting somewhere in congress, but there are no promises, safe bets. interesting that some republicans are supporting. others are not supporting the idea. what is the politics selected. >> everyone looking under the stones to determine whether there was a pattern. there was a democrat in every state within prochl imenty to the zone. i don't think you can draw a line. mitch mcconnell said that he

the real focus of reagan was, and i was a part of this with jack kemp. the real focus was, less regulation, less red tape. more free time to grow jobs. lower taxes on people who want to go out and be aunt tentrepre. make people feel good about creating jobs. it worked twice. with reagan and in the '90s with clinton, in both cases, it did dramatic changes. >> you have 2.3 million children in this country who are living with a parent who is long-term unemployed. newt. 2.3 million kids. if reaganomics works, why aren't soaring corporate profits helping everybody? >> well, raken nommics was not just about soaring corporate profits. this is frankly a left wing liable, because they so completely misunderstand the nature of free enterprise. the reagan approach included helping people find jobs. the welfare reform program, that we passed in 1996 led to the largest increase in children leaving poverty in american history. the late '90s was the best period of moving children out of poverty into a much higher income status, and nobody on the left wants to study it,

jack kempe would have horrible fights with phil gramm and others and then they would come together and come up with a tax reform plan. there were to be constant battles on the budget. there were a lot of different ways forward in the conservatives we believe even into the 90s, 1994 we always talked about a legislative laboratory of ideas and you talked about the place of ideas and we talked about the free marketplace of ideas. we would close the doors and go downstairs and debate nonstop among ourselves until we came up with the best plan for reform moving for it. just not the case anymore. if you veer off the path a little bit to the right or a little bit to the left there are ideological witch hunts and people suggesting you are insufficiently conservative and insufficiently republican. that is the 9% party. that's the record low party. if you go outside of the city that i love and that i love living in and working in, but clinically you go outside of the city and the republican party is a pretty vibrant party. we control 60% of the governors seats. we control a majority of the state

initiative to help some of the poorest places in our country sounds a lot like former representative jack kemp'sway back from 1980. and the nfl commissioner weighs in on players, what he thinks about players using medical marijuana. hi, everyone. i'm gretchen carlson. latest battle on capitol hi

think about the jack kemp empowerment zones that are different. those are the urban ones.ern kentucky and the nation of oklahoma. the white house said they focused on the communities and have been hardest hit by the recession. it's an attempt to cut and public safety and housing. think about it. yesterday's event included kentucky senators mitch mcconnell and rand paul who were there because the president designated eight kentucky counties and personally decided to attend thursday's event to show that support. pennsylvania congressman said it was a good sign. take a listen. >> the fact that you had mitch mcconnell and rand paul and myself along with president obama here today for these announcements signifies how important this is for the country. this is something that brings all of us together. >> jason furman is the chair of the white house council of economic adviseors. five were unveiled and walk me through how this gets expanded and how does a community get designated if they would like to be. >> there is a process for designating those zones and it is based on what

i feel like i've seen this rodeo before, for example, there's jack kemp, mentored paul ryan, that was idol. i saw it with newt gingrich, i don't feel it cashes out in the politics. >> that's not how they win primaries. you have to find politicians who are willing to transcend the primary voter. i have an agenda that speaks to all voters. >> there should be bipartisan effort. it's true it's important we're talking about it more if we're really going to attack poverty we should look at what works, we look at the five countries that have poverty rates below 10% that spend a lot more on these programs. >> a lot more. >> why are republicans trying to cut food stamps. before you give me any speeches, why l let's just not cut food stamps. >> it's quadrupled in the last ten years. let's have anti-poverty programs that address poverty. let's give them the cash. >> i'd love to run the experiment where we're just giving people cash transfers, i can't begin to imagine the fox news coverage of that program. thank you both that is all in for this evening, the rachel maddow show starts now. >> thank

they have no ability to either empathize or do what ronald regan did, what jack kemp did, which is toagenda that speaks to people's concerns about jobs, health care, the economy, and fairness. >> if you put those numbers up that we looked at, the gallup thing, what happened was in the fourth quarter, it was the month of october when the republicans shut the government down. they went down in that month to the bottom they have ever been. and then obamacare rollout took the democrats down. and they're both down in nowheres platteville, and people said i don't like either party, i want something different. >> what is the something different? >> three of us for the last two years on this network have been saying this was going to happen. >> right. >> a revolutionary moment was coming. i think it's here now. >> yes, it is. >> where a plurality of people heading towards a majority, want something different. i think what they want is we don't want any bs, i don't want any negativity or personal attacks. i want to know what's going to get me a job, what's going to make my health care work bet

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referencing jack kemp in the intro here.but the republican party used to have -- not many, but used to have guys, some women, who cared about policy issues that would address some of these manners. things that democrats and liberals liked. but they say how could we do something proactively. trying to get some privatization and ownership for poor people. i didn't agree with it, but it was heartfelt. it wasn't just about reading a memo from the rnc. that is completely wrong. >> i wonder how much of that is anti-obama? bush came after kemp and george w. bush ran on compassionate conservatism after the kemp era. how much did this contempt for the idea of fighting poverty is just anti-obamaism? >> it's pretty recent. if you look at the poll numbers for what republican voters will say about the correctness of extending benefits like those we're talking about, they're much more libertarian, much more unwilling to extend those kind of benefits. there's something interesting in the rhetoric of all these clips that we see over the las

. >> not only are some of these republicans trying to channel ronald reagan, but jack kemp, who made poverty and talking about it from the conservative side of things a big staple of his public policy. right now, republicans have a big perception problem. our wall street journal showed they have a 28-point disadvantage when it comes to which party is more compassionate, which party cares for others more? they're trying to address this. rnc, when it came out with this post election autopsy said we need to do a much better job of this. when you look at all the votes, all the actions in 2013, you look at this current battle overextending unemployment benefits right now. it doesn't seem that the action is really meeting the rhetoric. >> moving forward -- i mean, especially on this issue, excuse me, do you think this is something that can stick, though, in the lexicon, or is it one of these things that the narrative has been written so much in the last few years, how hard can the gop fight back on this? >> they can and they can actually put out ideas and talk about it more. one of the thi

paul ryan grew up alongside jack kemp, former new york congressman, always a proponent of immigrationm. as ryan was able to cut a deal on the budget, there is some sense right now in republican circles ryan could be the one to help oh orchestrate some kind of small deal on immigration. >> so much of what you said in the intro, just the conversation about boehner now, and the conversation about boehner for the last three-plus years he's been speaker. it all stems from the same place. he is such a fundamentally awkward fit as a leader for where the republican party and particularly the republican party in the house is. this guy is a washington lifer, essentially. basically a quarter century now. part of the original leadership after that republican takeover after '94. got ousted, made his way back. he happened to be in position to become speaker when this whole tea party wave hit in 2010. in his greatest single achievement, maybe his only oh real lasting achievement has been survival. no small achievement. because he's had forces waiting, these conservative tea party forces have been wa

bill: sound kind of like jack kemp's idea from 25 years ago.oing to inevery cities and trying to help people and give them tax incentives to do it, am i wrong or not? >> there is tax incentives, and there is tax incentives. are they pay no taxes or get free money. bill: that is fine distinction. look at the food stamp be program, now. 2008, 2million americans were on food stamps. five years later that has gone up 19 million to 47 million americans. >> well, the point of view of this administration that is in part a good thing because more people who need the help are getting it. much as they point to the enrollment of some five million human beings on to a welfare program, medicaid. they think that it is good when more people are enrolling in these welfare programs. for many americans however, they think that is hallmark of failure. they think that is sign things are going to the wrong way. for the administration they think this is a good thing getting more money out there. this is a president, bill, don't forget, said unemployment payments, th

policies that came from republicans, which is weferent from being popular, would still be passing jack kemp laws. you hear the democrats saying these were democratic ideas. they proved they were in competent, and the health care execution and what we have seen so far proves the levers of government him and the massive spending that has gone on under this president and the failure to competently execute stuff, and while the country is not keen to paying attention to what there is a overseas, lot of nervousness that this administration was getting us out of the conflicts we were in, which i think the republic -- we doing. all of the talk of hillary will be smart, she will be the good one. she will be the smart, organized one. this undercuts all of the efforts by the democrats right now to say trust us for two more years. say,heard a friend of mine and i think this was appropriate, the last two w presidents had been president for half of the country. they have doubled down. , barack obama from illinois. who were the presidents before them? bill clinton from arkansas, a culturally conservative

he grew up as a mentor to jack kemp. he is very pro-reform. i think he is going to be someone will be like a conservative whisperer for speaker john boehner and help usher the issue through. house majority leader eric cantor is also looking to do things on immigration reform. the conservative bloc in the congress are very uneasy about this. they sense momentum among boehner and cantor, they would like the whole movement to pass some immigration reform to stop. conservative groups are also getting very active right now, very uneasy about the prospects. >> host: so, who attend, as you noted, democrats have these sort of retreats as well, it is not just the republicans to have these strategy sessions when they get together. beyond members of congress, who else attends? you said reporters. are lobbyists there? who else gets to go to the retreat? >> guest: each party usually brings about a dozen speakers and these speakers are not only like lou holtz, the football coach, who will give pep talks but you see motivational speakers. dennis prager, who

he was a free market loving jack kemp-style conservative. he was a well-meaning guy. no matter what you made of his politics, he cared deeply about connecting conservatism with the poor, with minorities, with voters who have long shunned the republican party. he made some money on wall street and then in 1992 at the age of 33 he got himself elected mayor of jersey city. a greaty town where only 6% were republicans. it was a totally unlikely, totally improbable victory by a conservative republican in a very nonconservative, nonrepubl nonrepublican city. schundler was on the rise. he got re-elected in 1997. there was a column saying he would be president of the united states by 2008. he made his big move in 2001. he ran for governor. he was an odd duck in the state republican party who put up their own candidate to oppose him and he won anyway. he was one step away from the governorship and from there that shot at the white house. it was all lining up for bret schundler and then, well, it didn't work out. he lost to a democrat named jim mcgreevey. you probably know his

different from being popular around the country, unfortunately, otherwise we'd still be passing jack kemp's laws, the problem of saying -- and then you hear the democrats, oh, these are republican ideas. the democrats took them and messed them up, and they proved they were incompetent. and it proves the democrats are incompetent with the levers of government. and the massive spending that's gone on under this president and the failure to competently execute stuff. and while the country isn't keen on paying attention to what's going on overseas, there's a lot of nervousness that this administration is, while it's getting us out of the conflicts we were in which i think the public is rewarding obama for, they still don't view this as a competent administration. and we have -- so all the talk of hillary will be smart, she'll be the good one, she'll be the smart, organized one just undercuts all the efforts by the democrats right now, here and now to say trust us for two more years. >> well, let me frame it this way because i heard a friend of mine say that the last two presidents have more of

time raising jack kemp once said that the limits are so low that trying to office is like trying to filla bathtub with a pea spoon. if they raised the limits, phone wouldn't have to spend so much time raising money. states,en, many of the virginia is one where i live, utah is another, they don't have and the candidates there spend a lot less time, i money than in those running for congress. financial times quotes tom daschle of south dakota assaying that a senator has to raise $10,000 every data they're in office, every day of their averages to make the amount that's spent today in the senate race. guest: right, but that's because low.imits are so host: paul in north carolina, democratic calmer. hi. caller: i'd like to make the comment that there is a big corporations and as your n.tions such r.a. and tough like that and your votes rights organizations, get the government that we pay for and corporations the contribute to both sides of the political spectrum, so they have unlimited access and control, and we can see this through our laws and our trade laws which have destroyed our workpl