it was at the jack kemp foundation.d people when i was in college, i heard he was coming to an inner city -- i said no he won't. that republican is not coming into inner city for a photo-op. i was going there to tell him off. i got in his face. he is a persuasive speaker. he shut me down walked me through all the ways that our government policy was undermining. ultimately, he was responsible for legislation that i use as a mayor ideas of empowerment and thought that went into that to create an economic boom. >> i think that's important. i don't want to leave the show not having addressed the issue. do republicans just not like president obama? i think we philosophically disagree. philosophically disagree with the executive actions he's taken. when you find the heart beat of why we are indiscriminate with the president, not because he's black, he's liberal. we don't like the policies of the president. one of the challenges we face in d.c., the partisan reality is a challenge. in america, the racial issue is so easy to ig

>> yes, lefties like yourself and conservatives like myself going back to the days of a jack kemp. so now, after this clear shift in the economy, it is more glaringly true that we have this gap between the wealthiest and the poor are in a whole nother plane of concern. if you get in a rom and start talking tax reform, this is reform that will be designed not by the poor and the middle class, but reform designed by washington lobbyists and special interests. that will be the real test of all of this rhetoric, i think. >> first of all, amen. second of all, you have to put these two stories together. and look, barack obama, right, he has been the president during this period of time. i thought the place he was most vulnerable in 2012 was an economic attack based on these issues. the last person that could attack that was mitt romney. the thing that he was most vulnerable on, this aspect of it, mitt romney could not take. it's those people that want tax cuts for the rich, right? so whatever your message is, the polling or the focus group, you're going to talk to your donors and they wi

to come get me and stop me from sass'ing jack kemp but i of jack kemp. with a great guy. >> host: from your 2000 book "doing what's right: how to fight for what you believe--and make a difference" are you ready to raise a stink, get on the front lines, as opposed to helping out in a more support role, you will be operating on the cutting edge of change, you must be willing to step outside the box, be willing to holler to be heard. let's go to calls for tavis smiley, our author for this month. baltimore, thanks for holding. you are on the air with tavis smiley on booktv. >> caller: i have been a fan of yours for i can or 15 years. i love your work. you have done excellent. i was in school and heard you were coming to washington, that is my school. just to be with you, to sign a book for my daughter. i was disappointed, what you have done for the president. like you, engage mr. obama, mrs. clinton during that time. overtime, over the time we came to the conclusion that barack obama is the president of the united states. he cannot -- barack obama -- the com

republicans who have been talking about poverty and trying to push this issue, going back to the jack kempays it's refreshing to see it come to the foreearly on in the campaign. i think it's just interesting to watch. >> i'm skeptical. what is happening in mitt romney's life to change him from a hard-nosed conservative on market issues, let the market prevail. we have a 47% of the country hanging on, living off welfare or food stamp, and all of a sudden, into you he's going to make another try of it, going through this philosophical shift. that's what i'm very skeptical about, michael. very skeptical. what has changed in his life. has he had an epiphany? >> maybe. >> has he gone through some human experience? >> i don't know if it's a human experience with poor folks, but look, romney comes out of a tradition of service. he's a mormon, as a man of faith, he spent a lot of time. he's been out in the world. he's worked in some tough places as part of his mission growing up. he brings that experience i think to the conversation, something he hadn't done twice before. i think this is him tryin

capital gains loophole and the state loophole which was an essential era that from ronald reagan to jack kempe tried to eliminate, the death taxes. president obama is going into your face saying we're not only going to eliminate it we're going to increase it. >> it does feel the president is liberated from having this blue dog caucus in the senate where you have half a dozen more moderate and conservative democrats he had to cater to because they had elections coming up. and it is more like the caucus descended. do you read it that way? >> i do. and i think he feels liberated and not just because the blue dogs are gone but the senate majority is gone too. and with the republicans controlling both houses they have little excuse not to come up with their big agenda items and little excuse not to get something done which means they now come to president obama with some new bill that he will either veto or sign. so now all of a sudden you have a strong incentive on both sides to do serious negotiating so they don't look like a do-nothing government. so i think president obama is taking advantage

like yourself but some conservatives like myself and others going harkening back to the days of a jack kemp have also focused on that aspect of our economy which is the last thing these guys consider. so now after this clear shift in the economy, it is more glaringly true that we have this gap between the wealthiest and the middle class and the poor at this point is they're in a whole other plane of concern and so it's nice and refreshing to hear politicians talk about these things but my concern, chris, is what does the policy ultimately look like? is it aband-aid you've alluded to. get in a room and start talking tax reform this, is reform that's going to be designed not by the poor and middle class, but reform that's going to be designed by washington lobbyists and special interests and so that's going to be the real test i think of all this rhetoric including what mitt romney said. >> first of all, amen. i agree completely and you got to put these two together and, look barack obama, i mean he's been the president during this period of time. i thought the place he was most vulnerable in

to come get me and stop me from sassing jack kemp. i love jack kemp. he was a great guy. >> host: from your 2000 book, doing whats right, are u willing to make a scene, cause a stink, shake,ae and rouse? if you plan to be on the front lines as opposed to helping out in more support role you will be operating on the cutting-edge of change. you must be willing to step outside of the box be willing to holler to be heard. les go to calls for tavis smiley. our author this month. we'll begin in baltimore. thanks for holding. you're on the air with tavis smiley on booktv. >> caller: good afternoon, friend. mr. smiley, i'm big fan of yours for probably, 10 15 years. >> guest: thank you. >> caller: since your bet days, actually. i love your work. you're excellent. i was in school and i heard you were coming to washington. i left my school, my class just to be with you so you could sign my book for your daughter, mr. smiley. mr. smiley, i'm really, really disappointed a bithat you've done with the president. like you, i was against mr. obama and voted for mrs. c

republicans are the ones that always have been kind to their losers and run them again and again, bob dole jack kemp they run them mccain, when they're beaten down they run them again and again, democrats shoot their wounded. this time around republicans have shot their wounded. what's going on here? >> yeah a little bit. there's a difference between the guy who loses in the primarynd a the guy who makes it to the general election and loses it there. you have to good back to nixon to find someone who successfully pulled that off, you have to go to mcgovern to find someone who even tried it. the jeb bush versus mitt romney dynamic. jeb bush sped up mitt romney's timetable on this by making his move in december, then by following this move. this is really -- and chuck was telling me this -- a really aggressive behind the scenes push that is going on as we speak where jeb bush is basically -- what he's trying to do, the game plan that jeb bush is try to execute here is the same game plan that his brother used back in 2000. george bush won the republican nomination in 2000 because of what he did in firs

these ideas going back to jack kemp that were tried, you know, and maybe tried with very good intentions really didn't move the needle on unemployment and particularly inner city unemployment. so, you know i'm not saying the democrats have been perfect on this issue, but they are definitely putting a lot more meat on the bones of fairness strategy and a raise the wages strategy. >> let me ask -- go ahead jared. >> first of all, let any just say that the ideas that have had some suggestion of some bipartisan movement, i mentioned infrastructure, there's also an increase in the eitc for childless workers. that's a tax credit for low-income workers. and some sounds that universal pre-k, quality pre-k for kids could be on the agenda. we've not seen real movement toward them. look, i want to echo something you guys is been talking about. it's one thing to say i feel your pain, vis-a-vis unequalinequality and mobility. remember, that was something mitt romney said he didn't want to talk about. now we have jeb bush saying i'm happy to talk about it. it's a very different thing to articulate the

are the ones that always have been kind to their losers and run them again and again, bob dole, jack kemp, they run them, mccain, when they're beaten down, they run them again and again, democrats shoot their wounded. this time around republicans have shot their wounded. what's going on here? >> yeah, a little bit. there's a difference between the guy who loses in the primary a the guy who makes it to the general election and loses it there. you have to good back to nixon to find someone who successfully pulled that off, you have to go to mcgovern to find someone who even tried it. the jeb bush versus mitt romney dynamic. jeb bush sped up mitt romney's timetable on this by making his move in december, then by following this move. this is really -- and chuck was telling me this -- a really aggressive behind the scenes push that is going on as we speak where jeb bush is basically -- what he's trying to do, the game plan that jeb bush is try to execute here is the same game plan that his brother used back in 2000. george bush won the republican nomination in 2000 because of what he did in fi

i debate bill bennett and jack kemp and dan quayle, republicans, basically. >> around the country? >> around the country. >> people hire you to come in and do this for their meetings. >> new york i do the 92nd street but in new york they're not going to pay any politicians to talk. they don't think enough of politicians to give them money. host: let me go back to the book and because time flies ask you to be brief on this so we can give the audience some sense of what you write. you have a whole series of what would lincoln say and i'll go through them and then you can just give us a minute or so so we can find out roughly what he was thinking. what would lincoln say about war? >> i don't like it. i'm against it the way i was against the mexican war. i may be cute about it sometimes and do a bill for appropriations to play the political game but i'm against it. don't do it preemptively and if you do it preemptively as you did it here in iraq then don't make a double mistake of having ended a previous war or evacuating afghanistan because you could never do two wars at once. >> what

i debate bill bennett and jack kemp and dan quayle, republicans, basically. >> around the country?around the country. >> people hire you to come in and do this for their meetings. >> new york i do the 92nd street but in new york they're not going to pay any politicians to talk. they don't think enough of politicians to give them money. host: let me go back to the book and because time flies ask you to be brief on this so we can give the audience some sense of what you write. you have a whole series of what would lincoln say and i'll go through them and then you can just give us a minute or so so we can find out roughly what he was thinking. what would lincoln say about war? >> i don't like it. i'm against it the way i was against the mexican war. i may be cute about it sometimes and do a bill for appropriations to play the political game but i'm against it. don't do it preemptively and if you do it preemptively as you did it here in iraq then don't make a double mistake of having ended a previous war or evacuating afghanistan because you could never do two wars at once. >> what wou

this room knows that ronald reagan tax agenda of the 1980s whose shaped by jack kemp and other supply-side economic policies debated within the 1870s. these policies -- those policies emphasize individual responsibility, reduce government then need in a growth oriented approach to taxes. we need to lay a similar groundwork now for a free market based education system that emphasizes educational choice in all its forms. this new approach would empower families, reduce the influence of the top-down federal government bureaucracy and produce better outcomes. it has been my privilege as tim mentioned to work with heritage and our prior speaker senator mike leigh, to introduce the enhancing educational opportunities for all student. it is an opt-in program that gives every state the option, if they choose, to convert nearly $14.5 billion in existing annual federal education funds in two scholarships that would follow students to the public or private school of their choice. sack it, it expands the way parents can use 529 education savings account, allowing them to be used for pre-k through high

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