and i think that that's something that, again, is a missed opportunity. >> who's jack kemp today?man, okay, you're being funny now, right? >> you haven't thought about that because what happened to the republican moderates who was pro-diversity or pro-minorities like jack kemp was. he was part of the community, a good guy on everything like that. >> you know, in fact the naacp, we had a relationship with jack kemp. we had several members on our board and so it was easy for us to reach out and talk to the moderates. i don't think that no longer exists particularly in the senate and definitely not the house. and that's the sad state of where we are in this current environment. the complete loss of civility, our complete inability for people to reach across communities, to reach across the aisle. we cannot truly be the great nation that we claim to be if we continue down this road. >> let me ask you, you're a republican still. i want to keep up the date on that. you're still republican. do you think you can shake off this legacy after maybe eight years of this guy, who knows? eight y

you may know a lot of republicans from my generation are jack kemp fans. jack kemp would show up.engage in the communities. this president has a real record in the community here. i want to talk about criminal justice reform and black unemployment numbers and community grants and trying to empower impoverished communities. he has a terrific record. i want to see him show up and not just talk to republicans, talk to the community. talk to the democrats. talk to everybody. he's good at it. i think politically, as he he d in the last campaign, there's no downside to it. we can't do worse, correct? so us jack kemp republicans applaud it, dialogue, and you're going to pick up some votes as a functional substance, not just a scare campaign for progressives to engage in on a daily basis. >> mike: former governor of maryland, thank you so much for your time, sir. >> good to see you, my friend. >> mike: thank you. the trump administration issuing new visa guidelines tonight for residents fleeing the bahamas and florida republican senators marco rubio and rick scott are asking the trump adm

a lot of republicans of my generation, jack kemp would show up, he would engage in the communities.ident has a real record in the community. i wanted to talk about criminal justice reform, unemployment numbers, community grants and trying to empower impoverished communities. i want to see him show up and not just talk to republicans, talk to the community, talk to the democrats, talk to everybody. he is good at it, there is no downside, can't do worse. jack kemp, engage, dialogue, if you're going to pick up some votes, the progressive engagement on a daily basis. >> former governor of maryland, thank you for your time. >> the trump administration issuing new visa guidelines for residents fleeing the bahamas and marco rubio and rick scott are asking the trump administration to go easy on those asylum-seekers. here is how donald trump sees it. >> we have to be very careful. everyone needs totally proper documentation. i don't want to allow people that weren't supposed to be in the bahamas to come into the united states including some very bad people, some very bad gang members and som

sort of jack kemp? >> yeah. >> i think so. but on immigration, it's funny. i've tried to explain to people forever. when i was in congress, i was too conservative on immigration, because i said you know what? our immigration policy is the chamber of commerce immigration policy where you let everybody. . you don't take care of them. it's all about cheap labor. i was talking act you know what? breaking the law when you cross the border is breaking the law, but it was republicans who said let them come in because we want the cheap labor. that's what i fought when i was in congress. now we get to this point, and suddenly it's just the opposite. i guess, though, it's all hypocritical, isn't, tim? how many business owners have been arrested? how many business owners have been put in cages for a hiring of illegal immigrants and they knew they were hiring illegal immigrants and they knew they were making millions of dollars off illegal immigrants? donald trump has hired illegal immigrants his entire life. >> he fired them all. >> i haven't seen small business owners