you can do marriage by proxy saw dole and jack kemp raise their hands and they testify they didn't know that tiana was a time in moscow really wants to marry me so maybe he's always for people who will want more of her some democrats over part of this campaign like to ted kennedy center morning and so i had a great bipartisan group of people who more likely to i'm doing and so i don't know again i don't want to be too optimistic but so far it's it's ok so what do you talk to these people these days when your campaigning or advocating for a more progressive a pragmatic or even and the an adversarial relationship between the united states russia do you can they really support here in this advocacy i mean i think it's tantamount to treason and the betrayal of the american interest if you voice and all been support for a dialogue between these 2 countries i mean this is one of the charges against president trump till this day the fact that he's he's saying that you know the good relationship between russia and the united states would be a good thing i mean daddy's. as he being a puppet of t

jack kemp said in america people don't hate the wealthy, they want to become them.ny wealthy person, billionaire or otherwise, who is not prepared to pay more if it helps the system. my problem is on two scores, two levels. number one, a dialogue isvillely fieg people it should not vilify and that's pandering to the masses. i need a politician that rises above that. number two, our economic ideas are junk and i have spoken to nobel laureates and people that have much greater economic sophistication than me. they say the ideas don't work. the costs are off the chart. we have a tax system in place. if you're not happy with the 37% tax rate of wealthy people, raise it. get rid of 1031. raise the capital gains tax rate. get rid of carried interest. there are so many other things you could be doing rather than going down this path of a nightmare. let me ask you a question if i may since you're full of questions. i know you went to williams, i believe, it was, a very hard working student. i know you work very hard. i watch your program periodically. now many months of the

are 2 more people at the temperance concert conservative republicans sent to dole and congressman jack kemp who actually became a member our family because when i was kicked out thrown their service union my wife was behind we had at some point decided to have a. no marriage american marriage ceremony because our russian soviet marriage was a newt so we had the ceremony on the capitol hill and. bob dole and her camp are my best man in business in washington d.c. you can do marriage by proxy saw dole and joe can raise their hands and they testify that they know that tiana was a time in moscow really wants to marry me so maybe he's always for people who will want more of her some democrats are part of this campaign like to ted kennedy center morning and so i had a great bipartisan group of people who are more like which i'm doing and so i don't know again i don't want to be too optimistic but so far it's it's ok so what do you talk to these people these days when your compay the or advocating for a more progressive a pragmatic or even and the an adversarial relationship between the united sta

that's the argument the country is having and that's why i think he quoted jack kemp of saying americanshey want to be them i don't know if that's as true today certainly in the democratic primary season as it was years ago. >> this whole issue around these two words of fair share are really the lightning rod when it comes to this conversation because as cooper mman says fai share, i'm giving away everything i've done everything to be a success and give back. what is fair share >> should he be making decision about how the billions are spent or should the broader public be making the decision. to argue that billionaires should get more and control the way it's spent as opposed to giving their tax tldollars to a country that will democratically decide, they may not have the same priority. people saying i'm giving back doesn't really cut it because that's not truly the way democratic wealth should be distributed. that's the argument on the other side very few people have done as much as him and the people he named to improve the lives of those at the bottom. >> there's part of this convers

and the guest speaker was jack kemp at that dinner, he said the america i grew up in, people don't hatelthy they want to be them, okay her idea to come under heavy criticism, forget me, criticism that's totally unrealistic "wall street journal" ran an editorial, warren has a fantasy plan steven ratcliff wrote in "the new york times," the warren way is the wrong way sanders, i quote him, her numbers don't make sense these comments remind of will rogers, the famous satirist and commentator. if we got one-tenth what was promised in the state of the union speeches there wouldn't be any inducement to go to heaven she's peddling a story that makes no sense today >> "the new york times" today, the bhawharton school of pennsylvania have come out that a wealth tax would cut growth by an average of 0.1% there are certainly those who believe it's not a good idea, it would hurt the economy you have people on your side who agree with you -- >> i cannot tell you who's against me i'm worried about the equity people pay their taxes along the way. i think currently federal income tax rate is 37%. the ta

employees are millionaires you know, 25 years ago i was honored by a charity, at my request, congressman jack kemp who is deceased, spoke at the dinner and he said, in america, people don't hate the wealthy. they want to be them and warren and sanders are basically trying to make boogiemen out of wealthy people. i just -- it's counter productive it's wrong >> you said you think that the wealthy should pay more. you don't have a problem paying more you're in favor of paying more in taxes than what you pay right now? >> yeah. i would say so i have no problem with that. we have to agree, i think i said this on your program, september 19th, my effective tax rate 34.2%. florida res tent the only different is long-term capital gains. seven or eight years ago on "squawk box," one of your segments i basically said, they should get rid of the carried interest it's not justified seven years later carried interest is still in place irs section 1031 that allows these real estate guys and gals to roll over their property sales into other property cost basis, get rid of it, okay tax rate change. i have no probl

maybe somebody else, maybe jack kemp, would have come along. craig: i would think the republican party would have remained the moon to the democrats' sun. as it had been for those five elections where the democrats won the presidency. frank: it takes a special person to change the trajectory of the party and the country, is what i am saying. they don't come along all the time. if reagan was unsuccessful, who would have come along next? i don't know. republicans would bounce forward based on where they had been in -- and maybe somebody else would have come along. that is a big if. craig: i know this is relevant, but it underscores what you are saying, is that in the oxford english dictionary, the term "reaganism" is defined as not lincolnism, not rooseveltism, out of 45 presidents he is the only president so defined in the oxford dictionary. frank: he used to say you know our program is working because they don't call it reaganomics anymore. craig: michael? >> all i was going to say was, i was fascinated by your comment about a mother-in-law. i