version of he's done a shortened version if you will for us today, his new book is the kennedy's in the world how jack bobby and ted remade america's empire and we have all three kennedy brothers who make appearances in your in your paper for this conference, so very what would jack kennedy do would he be a trump-style tweeter would he just be like an instagram influencer, maybe more because he was so cool. i mean what you know yeah, it's it's it's such a it's such a fascinating thing to try to picture someone wakes up from their previous life in 2022. and how would they approach it? so, let me get to that sort of lead into lead up to that in a sense and let me step back and talk a little bit about the kennedys and well three of them and how they approached the presidency and then we'll try to modernize it a bit. well needless to say all three of them are for it the kennedy family saw the office as somewhere between and entitlement and inevitability and that actually predates the three brothers. i mean after all people forget joe kennedy the father actually wanted to run for president 1940 and was hop

. >> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did. >> jack kennedy was a friend of miner, you're no jack kennedy. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education, and the -- what's the third one there? let's see. >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would -- i would do away with the education, the -- >> commerce. >> commerce. and let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> let's dispel with this fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. >> that's what washington, d.c. does. the drive-by shot at the beginning with incorrect and incomplete information. and then the memorized 25-second speech that is exactly what his advisers gave him. >> this notion that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing is just not true -- >> there it is. there it is. the memorized 25-second speech. >> that's the -- >> there it is, everybody. >> congressman kinzi

on the other side of it lloyd benson, jack kennedy, that was a mean low blow by benzan towards dan quayle. i would say look who comes in there and is comfortable. i would think vivek will surprise a lot of people. he seems comfortable in front of a camera. he seems ready to go. i just saw a ron desantis. he seemed ready to go and seemed in a great mood, lighthearted. i saw mike pence. i think for all of the talk about donald trump not coming, i think these guys should be glad he is not coming. he sucks out about 98.5% of all the oxygen in the room. this hopefully will give them an opportunity. if i was them i would focus less on attacking other people there and explaining to america what are the values you hold dear? what are the principles, the governing principles? how will you fix the economy? what will you do on the border? what will you do with law and order? as america how do we take back its position as the dominant world leader, the sole superpower in the world? which i think joe biden has abdicated. comparing and contrasting conservative ideas with joe biden's failures would be a

or on the other side of it, lloyd benson, you know, jack kennedy, i thought that was kind of a mean,s dan quayle. so i would say that, you know, look who comes in there and is comfortable. i would think vivek is probably to going to surprise at lot of people. he seems very comfortable in front of a camera, he seems ready to go. i just saw ron desantis, he seemed ready to go. he seemed in a great mood, lighthearted. i saw mike pence, and i just think -- for all the talk about donald trump not coming, i think these guys, they should be glad he's not coming, because he sucks out about 98.5% of all the oxygen in the room -- [laughter] and this, hopefully, will give them an opportunity. if i was them, i'd focus less on attacking other people there and explaining to america what are the values you hold dear, what are the principles, your governing principles, how are you going to fix the economy, what are you going to do on the border, what are you going to do with law and order, how can we, how do, does america take back its position as the dominant world leader, the sole superpower in th

jack kennedy, when you study like i have closely his career in the navy years beyond being the legitimate hero p.t. 109 was much more like joseph. catch 22 kurt vonnegut kind of guy. he saw absurdity of war. he saw the absurdity of how a chain command things could go. and he was skeptical of the whole nuclear age. yet he was an ardent cold warrior, another person opposed to atomic bomb was rachel carson. or about nuclear testing. rachel carson was from pennsylvania, a girl growing up on the banks of the allegheny river in the allegheny guys was a glue. factories around there, dirty air, dirty. it's a beautiful river in western pennsylvania. and she would go and collect pine cone cones and write about nature and her books. she put her first essay to get published in nicholas magazine and a magazine thing for kids, and she talks about the natural world, about the atmosphere. and her teachers started recognizing in her, you have a gift for science and nature and literature here and so she goes to a school called chatham for winter school women in pittsburgh area and decides she wants to be a

jack kennedy, when you study like i have close, leave his career in the navy years beyond being -- was much more like joseph heller of catch 22, corresponding, slaughterhouse gaga. he saw an eternity of war -- it's on objective has a chain of command things could go. and he was skeptical of the whole nuclear age. yet he was -- another person opposed to the atomic bomb was rachel carson. for about nuclear tests. rachel carson was from pennsylvania, a girl growing up on the banks of the allegheny river. and the allegheny river is a glue factory all around there. dirty air, dirty river, it's a beautiful river in western pennsylvania. she would go and collect pine cones and talk about nature in her book. she put her first -- -- to get published in st. nicholas magazine. a magazine,, constructed by the natural world, about the atmosphere. and her teachers started recognizing her through the gift of her science and nature. and literature. so she goes to a school called -- win, in the pittsburgh area. in fact, she wants to be an ocean-ologist. for ocean science person and i've never seen an o

the second and maybe to some extent paradoxical conclusion that i think jack kennedy reached from that service was that he was he came out of the war skeptical of military prognostications, of imminent success or that you know there was an easy military solution, this or that problem. i think what he saw in the south pacific made him dubious of what the brass, you know, was telling the junior officers. and i think. he came out quite skeptical that there were military solutions to problems that were, at their root, political and i think that's also key in terms of understand vietnam and why i think he remained, as i suggested, and i think this is consistent with mark's. i think he remained ambivalent and. that's really important in terms of understanding his ultimate position. the last thing i'll just say very quickly with respect to eisenhower it's fascinating to me that that dwight eisenhower or after he leaves office. so say from from beginning of kennedy's administration, let's say through the escalation of the war under johnson, dwight eisenhower is really quite hawkish on vietnam.

famously, lloyd benson's i served with jack hannity, jack kennedy took quayle in 88.with in practice, in perhaps, not something he came out on the night. christy that was spotted what they were doing. some of the best responses are in the moment. you see an opponent do something foolish and you think, this is my opening. kristie took not only once, multiple times as matt -- desantis, by the way, since that memo leaked christie's been asked about it. he said, i can debate line from a foreign a politician against me. had that work out last time. the irony is that rubio is a better public speaker and debater that ron desantis. he crumbled ron desantis. he's got -- if you watch his debates again charlie crist in 2022, falls apart, deer and had's life, we've seen him uncomfortable. i think he's gonna get destroyed on wednesday night. chris christie and vivek ramaswamy, wolf around desantis will be at the center of the stage, the center podium that trump should be. adam it'll be desantis. they'll go for desantis. he's not good enough, he doesn't have a light touch. people t

briefings they deal with the intelligence community and sometimes president is fine frustration, jack kennedy famously. wanted to break the cia. thank you said to a thousand pieces after them. they have pigs fiasco. you're not in your head in accordance here. i see how should a incoming president face prepare for the intelligence community. is it a simple trust what you get? is that should we go back to is a gorbitrov and trust verify how does a president learn to accept the intelligence he or she has given? so i think presidents need to understand that intelligence isn't a crystal ball, right because all presidents want intelligence to tell them what's going to happen, right and nobody can do that the presidents i think also need to understand that as susan gordon put it. sue gordon was the number two intelligence official from 2017 to 2019. she said all presidents are frustrated because we steal their decision space and by that she means that intelligence agencies have the job of telling presidents things. they might not want to hear how their policies might not work how things are going an

i'm reading a great book by, jack farrell on ted kennedy and he goes into great detail about the very partizan, heated he had on the senate floor. robert he was a partizan. and yet you talk about compromise was able to compromise with senate republicans, most notably orrin, how do we get back to that art where you can have the partizan debates, fierce opposition on the issues and still come together on 40, 50, 60% of what you agree to? one of the problems we have in our system is that there are no personal relationships anymore. the time when orrin hatch and ted kennedy doing that, people lived longer. and there are definitely downsides to it. but people lived in washington longer, had their families here, and hard to fight with someone when your kids are on the same team, it's hard to fight with someone. when the two of you are sitting on fundraising committee for the potomac school or whatever it is, and those relationships exist anymore. as you know, people come in here on tuesday, they leave on thursday, and all they is find in between. and then i covid has accentuated it because

i'm reading a great book by, jack farrell on ted kennedy and he goes into great detail about the very partizan, heated he had on the senate floor. robert he was a partizan. and yet you talk about compromise was able to compromise with senate republicans, most notably orrin, how do we get back to that art where you can have the partizan debates, fierce opposition on the issues and still come together on 40, 50, 60% of what you agree to? one of the problems we have in our system is that there are no personal relationships anymore. the time when orrin hatch and ted kennedy doing that, people lived longer. and there are definitely downsides to it. but people lived in washington longer, had their families here, and hard to fight with someone when your kids are on the same team, it's hard to fight with someone. when the two of you are sitting on fundraising committee for the potomac school or whatever it is, and those relationships exist anymore. as you know, people come in here on tuesday, they leave on thursday, and all they is find in between. and then i covid has accentuated it because

to o say thank k. >> ready >> reporter: this morning ambassador carolyn kennedy following in her father's wake with her son jackit is just amazing, and i think it really gave me a new appreciation for the heroism of my father and his crew and it was especially meaningful to do it with jack. >> reporter: on the pitch black night of august 1st, 1943, kennedy's pt-109 was slammed by a japanese destroyer the boat split in two. the rest swam to an island some three miles away their epic tale made into a movie. kennedy, a former harvard swimmer, towing an injured sailer the entire way. >> the swim was pretty difficult. i will say that. so i have a lot of appreciation and admiration for what my grandfather did. >> reporter: for seven days, lieutenant kennedy and his crew, thirsty and starving, were losing hope when they came in together with two local men that offered to do an s.o.s. to local forces 11 alive need small boat. kennedy. ambassador, tell me about the coke cut because president kennedy kept it, didn't he he did it is amazing it did survive, but he kept it on his desk in the white house, and i think probabl

kennedy weren't so good. and so that's all true. that's jack bass has written about it and and i think that in the it's you have to look at the entire record of the kennedy appointments because there were some good ones in there as well in the south and the fifth circuit. but but what i think the robert kennedy and president kennedy were dealing with and the political people in the white house were dealing with, was the long tradition of deferring to the senators from those states and the democratic from those states wanted their guys and they were all guys appointed. and when eisenhower was in office, the very few republicans in the south got to pick their guys and the republican party prior to 1960 was the party lincoln and was the party of civil rights for blacks in the south. so wisdom tuttle and reeves and came from that tradition. but they ended up being allies of the civil rights division of the justice department under robert kennedy and. they were great allies in president kennedy. robert kennedy were never afraid. give them credit for

she had robert kennedy and the secretary of defense go out to arlington and take a look at these 3 acres in front of the mansion and she said, well, jack really does belong to history and this is more appropriate. so, we have a question from christopher on facebook who says , our president commander-in-chief automatically allowed to be entered at arlington and if so, why have only two presidents been buried there? >> that is a great question. i wouldme think as president of the united states you would automatically qualify. why have only to been buried there thus far? historically speaking -- >> include everyone -- [inaudible] >> thank you. [laughter] also chief justice. we have to give him a nod that way as well. historically speaking, presidents elected theirie own burial sites and they typically were buried near family homes, birthplaces, home states and that was typically the trend. prthe idea of bearing the president in a national sacred ground is something that, you knowde, the first former presidt buried there and then kennedy later. for the most part, presidents opting to be buried near home. >> it takes a whole chunk of the pr

kennedy junior. they did not want to criticize them, jfk's grandson jack slosberg says his candidacy is a vanity projecthe is trading and on camelot, celebrity, conspiracy theories and conflict on personal gain and fame. i have listened to him. i know him. i have no idea like anyone thinks he should be president. what i do know is, his candidacy is an embarrassment. howard: clay, whatever you think of the kennedys to watch 70 like that denounce rfk junior is kind of sad. >> it is. i give credit to rfk junior, we had about the radio show. i think he believes wholeheartedly in the ideas that he is advocating for and i think there is a substantial percentage of both democrat, republican and independent voters that dubai again to what he is selling. he's been as high as 20% i think in the democrat primary. i even think this may be a little bit crazy, i don't know what you guys think. it would not stand me if trump considered rfk junior as a running mate. i think the antiestablishment vibe of rfk junior and trump in 16 duck tales, that does not seemed like a crazy idea to me. howard: he has a lot of republic

when john kennedy was assassinated settlement suggested arlington cemetery to jackie and she said absolutely not. jack was from boston. it'sow a funeral factory, it is cold. it's sort of an assembly line, that's her language not mine. she was argued out of that by people in the president's entourage who said the president was a larger figure than someone who should be buried in brookline, massachusetts in the family plot. maybe you should consider arlington. she had robert kennedy and robert mcnamara the secretary of defense go out to arlington and take a look at these 3 acres in front of the cost of sleet himansion. she said jack really does belong to history. this is more appropriate. so we have a question from christopher on facebook who said president is commander-in-chief automatically allowed to be s interned at arlington. and if so why have only two presidents been buried there? >> i think is president of the united states would automatically qualify to be buried at arlington national cemetery. why have only two been buried there thus far? historically speaking the president tends to be the. >>

presidential morning are improvised because when john kennedy was assassinated, someone suggested arlington cemetery to jackie and she said absolutely not. jack was from boston. i think it's a funeral factory, it's cold, you know, it's sort of an assembly line. this is her language, not mine. andt she was argued out of that by people inur the president's entourage said the president was a larger figure than just someone who should buried in brookline, massachusetts, in a familyly plot. maybe you should reconsider arlington, ng of robert kennedy and robert mcnamara the secretary of defense go out to arlington and take a look at these three acres in front of the mansion and she said well, jack really does belong to history this is more appropriate. so we have a question from christopher on facebook who says, our president is commander-in-chief automatically allowed to be entered a at arlington? and if so, why have only two presidents been buried there? >> that's a great question. i would think as president of the trinity would automatically qualify to beti buried at arlington national cemetery why have only tubing buried there thus far?. histor

number to your own family including jack slash bag, who was pulled up to this this uh, this where he kind of a hostage video where he is, he has crashing him. bobby kennedy to the point where he said, you know what, i'm 70 years old. i'm going to go out and i'm going to make a mark and let me also say something. the people that i could destroy, the people who destroyed my family. i took away my father and i was a kid for the people who are pushing joe by. and so what a beautiful way for me to leave my mark and my legacy to buy up and to get and believe it or not, this is for you dad. don't think there isn't a part of him that said i'm going to get because he has been against. remember, he took this battle on it gets big pharma knowing, knowing where they were like she loved does this stuff. and what a way to bring the entire left right paradigm down and don't think that doesn't weigh in his subconscious. and that's as good spirit notorious as i'm going to be today. at least any open line or has such an interesting observation. yeah, i thought about this here. why is he doing this? he's on 70 years old. he's extremely well off. i mean, there's no more roy

virginia, and tell kennedy that unless he promises no desegregation, no action for civil rights, we will tell the southern electors to vote for harry byrd. that's like jesse james or jackis lawyer is saying it's okay for us to do this because jesse james did it or jack the ripper did it. that's how far we've come. you want to call that historical precedent? it is, but it's a precedent of corruption and evil and racism. >> unreal. okay, exit question. in your view, as a presidential historian, should this trial be televised? >> of course it should. we are living in a country, and you're the last person on earth that needs to be told this, but since you've honored me with the question i will respect you with an answer, which is that in this country there are all sorts of myths and conspiracy theories and crazy non fact being spread around. what better way to combat, and i can almost hear it being woven right now, donald trump is being given an unfair trial, he's being mistreated, this is a miscarriage of justice. well, if you saw this trial on television every single day as a primary historical source, it would be very hard for those lies to move very fire. if there's ev

that jack smith is a good lawyer and donald trump says he is innocent and in our country you are presumed innocent until you get a charge against you and plead guilty. i agree with my friend kennedy says david brooks who i think was trying to make a strong point but made it in a way, it's not less educated pick, people who have been falsely accused to feel the system is rigged against them. people have been an underdog. they see something in donald trump. if you're in politics, trying to be someone in politics you don't criticize the supporters of the person. you can be critical of the person you are running against, not the people that find some attraction or find some value in who he is. is larger point that kennedy said well is he's able to rally around a cause whether it is a grievance or being falsely attacked, people have to understand that is a humanity -- i disagree i don't want cameras in a federal court room. you get lawyers pooling to the cameras. i remember the murtaugh camera, everyone had an opinion. in this case i respect these people in the media but they are wrong. this desire, they want to see something done to donald trump, they want to see this televised. that

kennedy, i wouldn't call him a moral person but he did great things. if you look through the bible, biblically, god has used flawed people all throughout the bible. that's my opinion. host: jackmaryland, good morning. caller: hi, how are you doing? i would rather talk to you than artificial intelligence anyway. they don't have to have morals. they have to be un moral to protect this country like our southern border no matter what they have to do protect this border. that's their job. i don't care about their morals and i don't care what they think as long as they do their job. i will tell you one thing about joe biden, the way he thinks, he was talking about maui. he says you can't is in there and plow because there is dead bodies in the rubble. you know where his mind is? he wants to plow it all away and forget about it. this guy doesn't care about nobody and he. is compromised i told you that two years ago and let's get on with getting him out of there. kamala harris at least is not compromised. thank you. host: mary in chapel hill, north carolina. caller: hi there, i just want to say that there have been moral presidents like eisenhower and lincoln. i was always an indepen