and books -- i have written about jack kerouac.t became a revolution of young people wanting to hike and camp. and johnson folded into all of that. there were environmental laws and policies one after the other. if you go to the johnson library in austin, i recommend everyone go visit that library. you see walls of signing dense, many of these were things we do not talk about a lot, but that is about regulating industry, and making sure that our country sides are safe, and johnson even promoted parks near cities in ways that we could make sure outdoor recreation was not just for elite or people like myself that can go to a trailer in yosemite. but that there would be agreements and recreation areas in people' his backyard. lyndon johnson was phenomenal, and act in act by act what he did for my profession and brian lamb and you do for a living, looking at the history of our country, the ability to say forms of former presidents. i was writing a book, how touching carl sandberg was adopted by lyndon johnson in and lady bird. they sav

happened, a woman lives in my building in new york who wrote a memoir that i really admire, she was jack kerouac's girlfriend and she she's in her eighties. she wrote a book called minor characters, and it won, you know, like the whatever that award, the book circle award. and she's and she also was a book editor, so she read some of it early and she said, you should just with jumping around and it in a kind of a a simple narrative like at the beginning and take us through it that's the thread that you really need to have. so then i went and started with being a kid and, and, and watching the watergate, you know, particularly watching the watergate and being inspired about journalism in part because of my brother who's sitting here who lives in cambridge, but because he identified journalism as, something that would really interest me. so i ended up making it more or less chronological and that seemed be more sensible. and then i was able to just follow that thread most of the way through. amazing. it's a fascinating to think about to the stories that you chose. tell was as you had developed this,