jack kevorkian's niece.el nicole is his cloeft friend and co-worker. both join us from detroit. ava, why do you think the public continues to be so interested in kevorkian? >> well, i think it's because he's such an honest man and so frank about everything he says and they find that fascinating. >> neil, whoo do you think we -- still, we hear the name and something bumps. >> he became very well known when he was helping patients, and it was in the papers every day, the governor was trying to get rid of him and they were passing laws against him. so he was -- he was better known than a lot of our politicians. >> larry: mayor, why do you think it sticks? >> because it's jack kevorkian and they're trying to get -- they're in remedial pain and sufferi suffering. shall we say their rights. >> earlier hbo aired "you don't know jack," a moovie based on jack kevorkian's life. al pacino started in the role. here's a clip. >> that would have been nice, dr. kevorkian. it's a little late, don't you think. and it's mrs.