one, jack lemmon, did you consider jack lemmon or he just wanted to do it. >> i don't think i ever considerednybody but. >> rose: alan. >> alan and briefly dustin, but alan and i had worked together on this play called love, luv, and we worked together before that in chicago, when we were improvisers or known each other. we didn't perform at the same time. and i knew that he would bring to it a kind of -- the thing you see in every scene is a kind of preasperger's aspect. >> rose: preasperger's. >> they didn't have asperger's yet but there were asperger's people and his vision was, without ever saying it that josa ian was msing something, so he could see all of this more clearly than the other victims. and i love then and now the coldness and yet it is opposite in the character that he is. >> rose: and it originally was entitled to be catch 22? >> no, no. it was painlessly, previously catch 18. >> so wrong. >> how could they have done it? what were they thinking of? >> rose: and they didn't go with 18 because there was another book? >> well, what happened was, as we were preparing to publish