. >>> with us now to continue our conversation is someone very familiar with all of this, jack lew, who served as treasury secretary during the obama administration. what can you tell us about the extraordinary measures? >> it's good to be with you, jose. these extraordinary measures are not an extraordinary as they used to be. since they developed in 1990 when we faced the first real threat of default, they have been used over and over to just try to extend what the real deadline is. the problem is that you don't know with any precision when the revenues come in sporadically when payments come. you can count in mud april and that will give you a better idea than we have now about what the runway on revenue is. but bills come in to be paid day to day with wild fluctuations just as what comes in. it's very dangerous to play and get down to the wire to thes last minute game on the debt limit. >> just the fact that we're at the limit there and that they are essentially as you're saying playing with this, that in and of itself has consequences. >> yeah, i think it has real consequences when

oh, and speaking of photographers, we have the jack lew archive. lew was very close. the kennedy family, some of the most famous photographs of john and jackie were taken. jack lew. oh, these are all at the briscoe center. and so, you know, it's i'll be side by side. they'll all be side by south. that's exactly right. so it's it fits. and we have, you know, we also have some lbj related to harriet mcpherson's papers or with us, you know, with house busby pardon me. bill moyers. yeah bill moyers is another so just you know, it's that's really the connections are all over the place don you and your great have already set up a small exhibit of some of the items from the -- goodwin collection and everyone should go see this as i did for the third time i think this afternoon it has wonderful objects. a box that came from that was a gift from che guevara. but i think that my favorite are ones that mark updegrove alluded to in his introduction, the drafts of speeches, you can see how those famous words that were very often spoken by jfk or lbj were crafted through drafts and