. >>> jack mcintyre joins to us talk more about household debt, the consumer, and the economy. he's the fixed income portfolio manager at brandy wine global. listening to steve liesman's report it appears we're doing better in managing our debt as consumers. why is that, and why are consumers doing a better jonathan before the financial ? >> you know, i think there's a couple of things. steve pointed out, i think first of all, i think lending standards have been ratcheted up since the global financial crisis. so it's a little more difficult to take on debt. but i think more importantly the debt is in the hands of the consumer that is in a better position to be able to service and pay back that debt. and the other part which i think is certainly as important, that debt, it's mortgage debt. it's going into housing. housing is an asset that should appreciate over time. so there will be some wealth created along with that. so i think the takeaway, it's gradual increase in debt and that it's not -- borrowing and people that are just overextended, the people that already have pretty