. >> patrick, the latest numbers from the cdc show the epidemic is getting worse, as beth just mentioned, one heard 8000 americans died from jackhis is now a period of time where the country is well aware of the opioid crisis. how is it still continuing? >> well, i think part of the reason, actually, you could see this debate, where there is this tendency, a very american tendency to think of these issues exclusively in terms of supply side, you think we will solve this purely by thinking about supply, and not thinking about demand, not taking a hard look at ourselves. years ago, i was writing an article about the mexican drug cartel. i remember interviewing a d agent. he told me, this is years ago, he told me about them building a stretch of border wall in arizona. this high tech, very expensive wall wall that they both, and he said the next day the cartels were down there with accountable to throw hundred pound bills of marijuana over the wall. you have catapults going over the wall. you've got over 100 tunnels that have been dug under the wall. you are not going to solve the opioid crisis at the southern border. i think that