jack phillips, owner of masterpiece cake shop, joins me, along with two guests.n a decade after you first tangled with the radicals on this about this ruling and your next steps. >> well, first of all, i just want to make it clear that we serve everybody that comes in but we can't create every cake that people ask us to create because of those messages those cakes might express. they are custom artwork. this attorney, called us up the date that they announced they would take our case in 2017, and asked for the cake that you describe, pink on the inside and blue on the outside and told us that those colors were symbolic of changing from a male to a female. at that point that cake became a message and we told him that this was a message that we couldn't express with our custom art and we would be glad to serve this attorney anything else in this shop, make custom art but we couldn't create this one. that wasn't good enough. the attorney went to the colorado civil rights commission and filed a complaint and they have filed charges against me and sued me right after

(upbeat music) >> laura: you remember my next guest jack phillips.e way to the supreme court after he refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple back in 2012. he said it would have violated his first amendment rights to religious liberty, his christian faith. he won on that narrow ground but he's now back in court fighting a different battle. but it's related. after refusing to make a transgender birthday cake. yes, apparently those exist. the lawyer wanted a pink cake with blue frosting to celebrate the transition from male to female. the colorado court of appeals last week ruled that phillips refusal to make the cake did not constitute free speech and that it was illegal to refuse services to someone based on sexual orientation. jack phillips, owner of masterpiece cake shop, joins me, along with two guests. jack, your reaction now, more than a decade after you first tangled with the radicals on this about this ruling and your next steps. >> well, first of all, i just want to make it clear that we serve everybody that comes in but we can't crea

>> will come and today i have a very special guest, jack phillips. you may remember him and know him as the masterpiece cake shop in colorado and he has just written an amazing book calling the cost of my faith how my decision took me to the supreme court. welcome. >> i'm honored to be here today. >> so why is your lawyer with us on this interview quick. >> we are still in court. we just finished the and of mard lawsuit so we are currently waiting for the judge to announce his decision on that so my lawyer is here to help guide and protect me that i don't say anything. host. >> those who are fuzzy on the details remind us what happened in july 192012 into game and walked into your cake shop and asked you to design their wedding cake. >> it was sunny and bright so when the two gentlemen it was my duty to see and talk with them. so we made introductions and they said were here to look at wedding cakes and i said sorry i don't do cakes for same-sex weddings and said make cookies or brownies or shower and at which point they stomped out and i wasn't expe

jack phillips. you may remember him. you may know him, he is the owner of the masterpiece cake shop in colorado and he's just written an amazing book called the cost of my faith how a decision in my cake shop took me to the supreme court. welcome, jack. and his lawyer is joining us as well, jonathan. welcome, you guys. >> it's an honor to be here today. >> so my audience is aware, why is your lawyer with us on this interview? >> we are still in court. we just finished from our trial and third lawsuit so we are currently waiting for the judge to announce that so my lawyer is here to help guide and protect me and make sure i don't say anything -- >> good. and so, for those who don't remember or who are fuzzy on the details, tell us, remind us what happened on july 19th, 2012 when two men walked into the cake shop and asked you to design their wedding cake. >> it was a beautiful july afternoon, sunny and bright, a couple of girls were working for me. they were busy in the front of so when the gentleman came into the shop an

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phillip. we have two special prosecutors. i know the circumstances are different and as we just heard from indicatelyn, trump has not been complaining. jack smith's team not confident that all the documents have been turned over. it does appear at this point that biden's team is complying. so given that how will it impact rob hur's investigation into the biden case? >> well, you know, certainly his level of cooperation or any subject of an investigation's level of cooperation will have an impact. in terms of are there obstruction charges down the road? it's important even though the justice department had to almost, you know, their hand was forced here into appointing a special counsel to treat and regard these two as very, very different. and, frankly, they ought not even be communicating with each other because of how different the two investigations are. but, you know, you're right with that question, bianna. by cooperating and by being more forthcoming they'll make their lives easier on themselves in a way that the former president trump has not. >> so these documents for biden's time came when he was vice president. that's what we kn