>> larry: jack rice, what do you think when the action is happening on the plane?hat's supposed to happen? >> she would like to rephrase this without question. you think about the problems that we have as harvey just described. i mean, when you find out that a father makes a suggestion. when you have somebody on a watch list, when you have somebody who pays cash in a third country in ghana and then goes through nigeria up through amsterdam, all of these are questions that should have at least raised some flags. the problem is when she turns around and says it all worked well, people jump to conclusions and say you can't shine this up. there were fundamentalal mistakes made, and they have addressed. at least big picture we shouldn't lose sight and our minds and assume the world is coming to an end. there are very few incidents like this, and thankfully it ended positively. at least it wasn't as negative as it could have been. >> larry: we'll be right back this panel will be with us the rest of the way. don't go away. and volkswagen even covers scheduled maintenance

we'll talk about it right after the break. >> larry: jack rice, the new security reviews the president has implemented, are they going to work? >> we certainly hope so. the fact is there's accessibility out there. whether the capability is in place in some areas if we had taken the intelligence that was available in this case, sometimes with people they say if we profile this guy in the negative sense. i don't think that's necessary, based on the information that was available, not just the fact that he was on a watch list, admittedly a massive one. he was paying cash and flying one way and his father said we have issues here, just for those reasons alone. i've been stopped in multiple airports based on what i've done. the fact it's happened to me and many others, it's shocking this wasn't done in lagos or amsterdam or anyplace else. that's a failure with everything we have in place right now. >> larry: harvey, do you agree with tom ridge that we get a little lax? >> yeah, i certainly agree with him. i think more importantly what this former secretary said, which i think is key, he tal

also jack rice, former cia officer, journalist, syndicated talk show radio. we're kind of colleagues. okay. what is your take on what happened here? you've worked inside the cia. i have to tell you that right off the bat i don't understand why on sunday the homeland security secretary didn't seem to know that this man's name had popped up in a cia report and the president didn't really allude to it until today. is it possible they didn't learn until last night or this morning that there's a report in langley? >> yes. i think that's really the problem here. i think that's the case. if we look back at what we have done over the last eight years we turned this world upside down deciding we're going to reorganize the government. we're going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars. we're going to do amazing things. yet this fundamental problem seems to still exist. the inability to take a piece of information and put it out there in a place where everybody else can grab it and hopefully connect it to something. remember it's not just about acquiring things. that