that's a mouthful, jack rice. what do you think? >> you're absolutely right. as a criminal done, i was in court today and i'm arguing various things. i understand advocacy. at the same time, the last thing i want is a judge who already decided the direction they're going. this judge should have removed himself. i know there are people saying, oh my gosh, it's going to change everything. there have been multiple cases where they found this constitutional. in this particular case i see a real question on whether or not this judge has so much bias he couldn't possibly have decided the case, not appropriately, but he couldn't have possibly chosen the case without actually having his own personal benefit at issue. >> what do you think, karen? >> okay. first of all, i'd love to know how it benefits him to kill the health care bill? actually, he would make more money if he ruled that, yes, you can keep the health care bill. let this campaign organization continue to raise money off of the issue. push it to the supreme court. you know, the conflict of interest, you ha