. >> joining us jack rice, former cia officer. good to see you. good evening. >> great to be with you. >> place station 4. what's going on here? going dark. this is go deeply disturbing on so many levels. tell us what you can about this kind of technology and why it may have worked in this instance. >> well, the biggest problem we have is it is constantly developing, constantly changing. the ability to keep up with this is something the u.s. government has a real problem with. if you look at the apps available, look at the various programs that are available to anybody, and this is just the general public, for the government to keep up with something this quickly can be very difficult. it's been a problem since long before 9/11. and it's getting expotentially worse. >> one point the president kind of joked but not really saying the old folks who work on this stuff and a lot of counter terrorism are going up against kids that haven't known a world that didn't have this kind of technology. and there's something to that, isn't there? >> oh, without q

. >> joining us jack rice, former cia officer. good to see you. good evening. >> great to be with you. >> place station 4. what's going on here? going dark. this is go deeply disturbing on so many levels. tell us what you can about this kind of technology and why it may have worked in this instance. >> well, the biggest problem we have is it is constantly developing, constantly changing. the ability to keep up with this is something the u.s. government has a real problem with. if you look at the apps available, look at the various programs that are available to anybody, and this is just the general public, for the government to keep up with something this quickly can be very difficult. it's been a problem since long before 9/11. and it's getting expotentially worse. >> one point the president kind of joked but not really saying the old folks who work on this stuff and a lot of counter terrorism are going up against kids that haven't known a world that didn't have this kind of technology. and there's something to that, isn't there? >> oh, without q

. >> john, as we await the president, we're joined this morning on the phone by jack rice, a former ciand terrorism expert. good to talk to you this morning. >> great to be with you. >> he didn't go very far yesterday. he talked a little bit about airlines offering more disclosure on passenger manifests. but you don't expect much change either, do you? >> i really don't. again, your analyst is correct here. i think what we're going to find is sort of a general sort of calm down, we've got this in hand. there's no credible threat at this point but we have everybody watching. just to make sure people don't start to spin out of control. we started to see a ramping up around the country with a lot of fear. and i think it was important that the president kind of come out and make this point just so americans understand it. >> on one hand, though, jack, this alert and the acknowledgment that there is no credible threat here at home might not do much to comfort people here who are traveling abroad. what would you say to those american who is have plans to get on a plane and go somewhere in eur

. >> joining me now, jack rice, a former cia officer, who was embedded in iraq and afghanistan.phone, former ambassador to iraq, and former deputy secretary of state, ambassador chris hill. gentleman, nice to have both of you with us tonight, ambassador, give us a sense. when we see that isis had said, we're going to strike washington, d.c., and we see the list of these attacks just in the past year or so, what is the likelihood that isis or its sympathizers may actually carry out that threat in the near future? >> well, first of all, i mean, part of the goal is to kind of scare people and understandably, that happens, after you had a spectacular attack, as we saw in paris. but in addition, i think they're calling on sort of lone wolves, who really have no sort of day-to-day contact, except by maybe looking at internet sites the to do what they can. i would take issue a little with secretary kerry by saying, it's hard to stop a lone wolf who has a suicide vest. someone has to make that vest. someone has to organize that. it's not so easy. but what is easy, a lone gunman with a k

that condoleezza rice said that we are sending a bad signal, one that could play into isis propaganda by blocking all syrian refugees. check kane said a syria -- similar thing. -- jackane said a similar thing. governor christie: i know. none of them, by the way, have any responsibility today for worship -- ensuring the responsibility of the american people. it's easy to be an academic about this. we have to be critical of app -- academics. they have a role that no responsibility. when the fbi director says that he will do it, i will be considered. until then, michael chertoff used to have my. -- my job. he was dhs secretary. he's a really bright, smart guy, but he has no responsibility today for doing what needs to be done. it's easy to say those things. people on television want you to say them because it's the politically correct thing to say today. that is the politically correct thing to say. believe me, i have seen the e-mails i have gotten since i said what i said. the facebook posts and the rest of that stuff. i'm not deaf, dumb, and blind. i'm not saying it. i have a responsibility. by the way, the federal government has a responsibility to let me know what'