my name is jack siegel and from nato from 2002 until 2010. when you began the discussion, you sent stabilization keeping insurgents from returning. in my conversations with general carter, general richard, general nicholson, i got the impression that in places in mike kumar, that they went there. but they were simply part of the society. the object of this stabilization. how we picked out the wrong target? >> is a good question. maybe by saying they always stay, what we are indicating is this problem is an afghan problem and it's not like the people are going to run back to pakistan. but, when the area for district is unstable, those people, whatever the terrorist group is, have to be taken out of the way. eliminated in fashion. they decide to go underground. they decide to join a reconciliation group and become part of the government. that's another way. you have to provide a service, which in many of these districts they provided. and that is part of the idea of creating a central government that can run afghanistan and have government cont

. >> i am jack siegel, i made frequent trips to afghanistan. when you began the discussion, you said that stabilization is keeping insurgents from returning. in my conversations with general carter, general richards, even general nicholson, i got the impression that in places like kunar and other places that they never left. they just went underground when we left there. that they were simply part of the society. so the objective is stabilization, have wepicked out the wrong party ? >> that is a good question. maybe by saying they always stay, i think we're indicating this problem is an afghan problem. and it is not like the people are going to run back to pakistan. but when the area or district is unstable, those people, whatever the terrorist group is, have to be taken out of the way. eliminated in one fashion. if they decide to go underground, they decide to join a reconciliation group and become part of the government, that is another way. but you have to provide a service which in many of these districts, they provided ... >> the problem a