if you find that kate spade and jack spade shared a mark, you can combine and count kate spade stores together with jack spade storts. -- stores. we have here kate spade service mark as you can see. which is by the way, if you apply for a trademark you apply for a category of goods sorry typically retail stores will have categories of goods. kate spade service mark, jack spade service mark, kate spade trademark, jack spade trademark and for good measure, >> i'm not following your argument. part of me i have a problem here is that i don't have documents in front of me. you are putting these quickly on an overhead that i can't read. what are you saying that they are sharing the same trademark. i can't see it. >> i'm sorry. >> this is put up from the website. >> okay, they are all under the same. that's the point? >> the point is that kate spade and jack spade have both trade marks and service marks. they share a substantially similar mark. the spade mark. and that finding that you can combine and count kate spade together with jack and you will have -- >> are they linked under the same trademark number. just because t