in the picture is jacqueline kennedy, and your second husband, jack warnecke. when you see that, what is your reaction? grace: i knew they had a romance before i met him. it looks like it was taken at that time. brian: what were the circumstances? grace: well, he was the architect who designed president kennedy's grave. so he worked very closely with the first lady. brian: and the architect of the hart building in the senate here, among other things. how serious was the relationship? grace: i wasn't involved in the relationship. i think he took it -- i don't think she -- my guess is she was not very serious about it. he was an architect. he was not impoverished but his financial picture went up and down dramatically from time to time. she obviously liked to marry people with money and position. i do not think in the long run -- i think this was something she enjoyed and it was very short. she broke it off. i do not think it was going anywhere. brian: how did you meet him? grace: i met him at a party in san francisco. i had just come back from cuba. brian: what

brian: before we get there, i want to read what you said about jack warnecke. was controlling, insanely jealous, and wanted me to be at his beck and call, regardless of my children and other commitments. he had an explosive temper and, when angry, would frequently keep me up most of the night. haranguing me although he knew i needed to get up in the morning with my children. sleep deprivation became a constant part of my life." grace: that was true. brian: how did you deal with that? what was your way out? grace: in the end, leaving. i think that was the biggest way out. i walked out the door. before that, i got very involved -- that is partly what may be -- made me become a photographer, i started studying photography, which jack hated because he could not call me up when i was in the photo lab. he would call me five or six times a day, to make sure i was where i was supposed to be. the photography was, for me, a different world, a world i could escape into. and, i worked as a photographer for 10 years. brian: what is the story about the dinners he ask you to

that plan did not depend on jack warnecke. brian: but then you married him, what year? ms. nnan warnecke: we were married in 1969. brian: how long were you married? ms. kennan warnecke: eight years. brian: why did you divorce? ms. kennan warnecke: it was not a compatible marriage. --had different standards different values than better way of putting it. he was a very ambitious man and not a terribly nice man. he was never terribly nice to my children. this really got to be worse and worse. brian: he is not alive? ms. kennan warnecke: he died. he was 15 years older than me and he died at age 91. brian: who did you meet through him that you became friends with? ms. kennan warnecke: i became much closer to the kennedy family. he had been a real architect of the kennedy family. he did senator ted kennedy's house, bobby kennedy's pool house. turbine orsis's wind something like that. i knew senator ted kennedy. we were in the same class at harvard and ratcliffe. we vaguely knew each other from back then. but i was not a close friend, just said hello. it was a very glamorous life f

that plan did not depend on jack .arnke -- warnecke but then we were married in 1969. brian: how long were you married? ms. kennan warnecke: eight years. brian:? -- brian: why did you divorce? ms. kennan warnecke: we had different values. andas a very ambitious man not a terribly nice man. he was never terribly nice to my children. this got to be worse and worse. brian: he is not alive? ms. kennan warnecke: he died. mewas 15 years older than and he died at age 91. brian: who did you meet through him that you became friends with. -- friends with? ms. kennan warnecke: i became much closer to the kennedy family. he had been their architect. he did senator ted kennedy's house, bobby had -- bobby kennedy's paul house. -- pool house. i knew senator ted kennedy. we were in the same class at harvard and ratcliffe. but i was not a close friend, just said hello. , jack let a glamorous life. much more glamorous than i was leading. the kennedys were one of the chief people i met. then i ended up taking ted kennedy and his wife and two children as their escort translator to the sov