jack welch, it was a privilege to work in an organization. we say it is all about disruptive information. hasn't always been -- disruptive innovation. hasn't it always been? we say that about jack welch. >> he was not thought about as an innovator. he was not about as a business leader. i think we put that tag on there. jack was well ahead of his time as far as innovation, cultural change, having a strong, deep a collegiateating competitiveness. we would go to those quarterly meetings and it was as fierce as the championship playoff the other night. >> how did your division do, right? >> but not as cold. >> it got cold sometimes in that room. ofn i stepped into some those power systems we went from last to first and there is a tremendous amount of pride and competitiveness, you know, in a positive way. no one was throwing anybody under the best, but we were all -- under the bus, but we were all aspiring to be the best. >> then do we need more business leaders in washington? d.c.ook at the gridlock in and in some instances, they are not even speaking. they are not playing a game. there is nothing. >> we need more jobs. >> you've got to have people running the country the know-how to sign the front of a check, not the back of a check. >> there you go. about jobs,alk unemployment benefits, minimum with all o