new york's the big apple, it's loud, people are big, jackie gleason, the image of new york. when you ran the last time for president, i thought, there's an anti-new york thing going, and now i look at trump who's like mr. big apple, loud, braggadocio, i'm the boss, i'm the smartest, the best looking, the richest the, it's like muhammad ali talking, yet it seems to work. why has the country changed so much? what's going on with the new york attitude? it seems to be selling when it didn't before. >> one thing, i thought september 11 changed the attitude of a lot of people toward new york. i traveled a lot of america before and plenty more after. and after september 11, people's attitude towards new york, i think, changed a little. second, i think people are desperate for clear-talking, tough, you know, leadership. i think they're even willing to disagree with somebody, if the person would just be straight and honest with them. you know, i think in that way, donald has kind of grabbed that. >> yeah, and he's not the first one. christie tried to go for that, and of course he mes