clinton looked to jackie kennedy, although unfortunately, jackie kennedy died just a couple of years into the clinton presidency as someone to to provide guidance to to her in her role as first lady and jackie kennedy also had known betty ford when they were, you know, congressional wives together and she also was gave advice to to mrs. ford. i'm trying to think of some other good relationships are friendships. i don't know of any. bad, you know downright hostile relationships that they're apparently i guess. some people have wondered if melania trump is upset that jill biden is getting such good. oh, you know for the most part good press in these first months is as first lady, but mrs. trump hasn't called me up to give me what her true opinion is so i can't comment on that. um but historians will say at a time will tell on time. well, certainly say that mrs. kennedy was very very helpful to lady bird. johnson as well, so if jackie kennedy was our third youngest first lady. she's only in her early 30s. she became so identified with the white house and how to run the white house and h

betsy asks a more about the story of jackie kennedy and mona lisa. she wants to know i mean, how did she pull that off? isn't it? france's greatest treasure, you know, that is a great question and i think that it really comes down to the power of jackie kennedy. she's known by so many for her ability to make anybody feel at ease for her passion for arts and culture and so as a first lady who not only showed her appreciation of french culture through her love of art, but also, you know, she was able to speak french with these diplomats. she was able to make a serious relationship with them and she had first approached the topic in 1961 during the kennedy visit to paris, you know where jfk famously said. i'm the man who accompanying jack kennedy harris so she had approached it and it took about a year to really get the moving and so i think it's just a testament to her her grace and her willpower as first lady. regina wants to know do you know where the mona lisa was displayed during those three months. was it at the white house a smithsonian somewhere

so jackie kennedy was certainly a important style figure.ean magazines around the world were named after her. she was world famous. her name became a common name for people to give to their kids. so she's one of our most interesting first ladies. that's true. but she tragically had a very short time. >> our last question this evening. we're going to put you on the spot, betty. if you could host a dinner party for any three first ladies living or the seized, who would you invite and why? >> i can't name any, i think we have five living first ladies. betty ford says the job diminishes but it never ends. if you say we have five first ladies i wouldn't want to name any of them because it wouldn't be fair. i probably wouldn't name any of the words i've written about a lot. ladybird johnson and roosevelt's because i think i know them a little bit. i would go for the ones i don't. now that i really couldn't get to, coolidge for example in the 1920s, is one of the most fascinating. we don't really know. she had the reputation at the white house for

and also likewise back at home in washington dc ladybirds stepped in quite a bit for first lady jackie kennedy who wasn't the kind of political animal that lady bird was didn't love the rope line didn't thrive on so much ceremonial activity and lady bird stepped in for her. might have been in it was energizing to her. it was just energizing to her while lyndon was pretty much in a funk throughout the book. we see several episodes of her relationship with jacqueline kennedy. how would you describe the relationship between the two women? you know, it's a it's a very intimate and precious and complicated and emotional relationship and it has this arc that goes from from lady bird being the senior senate spouse when jack enters the senate she's already married to the majority leader and kind of bringing lady bringing jackie in doing it in a kind of gracious big sister way. she was almost 20 years older than jackie then moving to the campaign stepping in again for jackie and you know during the campaign there's a there's a scene in the book and also in our podcast where jackie is looking back and k

jackie kennedy famously said, "if you mess up raising your children, nothing else matters."ou have 3 children, seem to be well-adjusted, and you've kept them out of the newspapers and so forth. how do you avoid spoiling kids like that? i think that's a huge problem. you know, obviously, our kids have benefitted from having a great education and an opportunity to travel, and, you know, so they're very lucky in that sense. making sure that the visibility or the way people treat them is not unnatural, there are somehallenges that come with that. so far, they've handled it well. you know, melinda is the one who deserves any-- or certainly almost all the credit for the kids so far doing very well. you know, our kids-- we've said to them that, you know, the money is going to the foundation, and so they don't think of themselves as sort of aristocratic inheritors. rubenstein: well, what do they say when you tell them that? they say, "can't you give me a little bit or something?" or they don't ask for some? [laughter] they'll get a little bit. rubenstein: how much money has your fou

but i love your -- you quote jackie kennedy talking about how she -- you might tell society members that story. i really love that. >> i tell that story. in 1960 after the johnson made the decision to join the kennedy ticket, they met -- the two campaigns met and jackie was sort -- found lady bird confusing because lady bird can sit on the couch with jackie and jackie's sister-in-law and she would carry notes. squabbingy said, it was the most peculiar way for a husband and wife to work together. she was like a hunting dog and they completely missed point. she wasn't a trained hunting dog, she was a member of the team. >> i think that went back to maybe before he was vice president. >> john: son just didn't agree with some of the decisions -- he didn't agree with some of the decisions he thought robert kennedy didn't quit know what he was talking about when he first got into it and so that's the most complicated relationship. >> it's complicated and i do spend time on it because it has its own arc in the thread of the book and the stories together and the way they intertwine. the two of t

david: jackie kennedy once famously said that "if you "mess up raising your children, nothing else inreally matters." melinda: absolutely. david: and as parents, we know that the hardest thing to do is raise children. melinda: mm-hmm. david: so you've had to shield three children from the enormous wealth and publicity. melinda: i have tried with our children to always-- to first have them know that they are loved-- most importantly, they are loved, no matter what-- and that their job in life is to find their talents, and whatever those talents are, we will support that and we-- and it's up to them to bring those talents in the world, no matter what they want to be. i also--when the children were young, have always taken them out, first in the seattle community, even when they were kindergarten age, and then at age-appropriate times, when they got to be about 10 or 11, out into the developing world, to not only do a beautiful safari... david: right. melinda: but to actually see what life is like on the ground. and the last thing i will say is because--when you have great means, you don

why might not on this list customer is at hillary clinton, jackie kennedy, marcy washington or pat nixonplease tell me this was hillary clinton. [laughter] kennedy: it probably was but then secret service agent who found her whose break scott fiddled with it's actually pat nixon. god rest her soul. this is for richard, are you ready richard? let's do this. which president believed if he soaked his feet in a bucket of cold water every day he would never get a cold. was it john quincy adams? james polk, thomas jefferson or donald j trump? [laughter] >> i'm going to go with john quincy adams. before that was a bad idea. >> i'm going to play this straight that's probably true. kennedy: know you did not get it right. it was old cold pickles thomas jefferson. he maintained this habit for 60 years and he started his own fire and he put them out with this little foot soak. fun facts about presidential history. you and all expense paid ticket to guam in august during the season. >> great. thank you. >> i'm glad you won enjoy that trip. >> great time. man panel think al verplanck did a great job.

jackie kennedy founded planet of the seed your mother made sure that those seeds took root to preserve and protect and honor the history of the white house. i wonder if you could just talk about why what she thought why did she want to do that and maybe talk and start with lloyd lloyd. do you have any insight into that from your work with at the white house at that time as a protocol chief? of course you were around a lot of events. you have a sense of why lady bird johnson had this commitment to preserving the history of this of this house. well, i think it began a much earlier. she did much to beautify around the ranch. around the area where the president was born and grew up. um, but it began when she was pushing hard to remove the ugly billboards that you're probably not old enough to remember that lined most of the highways around the country and she was successful in that in the beautification act and then said about beautifying, washington. i will tell you susan that outside of my own family. she's one of the most wonderful women i've ever known what i was a young best out of la

roy halston was the new york hat-maker who designed the pill box jackie kennedy wore to her husband'sfashion brand. halston, with andy warhol and liza minnelli discovered what it was like to be famous in disco new york city. >> i have a vision: i'm going to change the face of american fashion. >> reporter: if only he had lived to see this. >> i have been an outsider my whole life. >> reporter: his story with all of the dazzle and drugs, debauchery. >> do you ever feel like everything you have can disappear in an instant. >> reporter: with ewan mcgregor in the title role. so you'rs now? >> yes. >> reporter: the 50-year-old scottish-born actor says playing halston required a lot more homework than usual. you did all of this ki fabric. >> to an extent, yeah. a little bit. i mean, it is quite -- that's a great art. he would take a single piece of cloth and turn it into a beautiful dress. that is a halston. i just was worried if my hands didn't look like they knew what they were doing, it would sort of give me away. so i would practice and practice and practice and prick missile myself and

where jackie kennedy and her kids hid after president kennedy's assassination. finally $100,000. edition bottles saying we have your six. meaning we have your back. pete: rutgers university apologizing twice after condemning antisemitic attacks. now the university president stepping into the fray saying it was not a apology. in a new statement, we have not, nor would we ever apologize for standing against anti-semitism. at rutgers we believe anti-semitism, antiinhue ditch, islamophobia, all forms of intolerance, xenophobia, racism are condemned wherever they occur. we have a rutgers student peter cordi here. they issued a statement condemning anti-semitism. which we made earlier in the program. they were they went out seemingly got backlash t was not pro-palestinian enough. put out a pro-palestinian. then the president weighed in we disregard all hatred. what is it like to be on the campus with all the messages coming out. >> emotions flared all sides. this has led to rise ever anti-semitism in person and on and off campus. twitter in the span of one leak are the antidefamation r

kennedy. he wanted to protect jackie from having to come testify.ile and flamboyant lawyer decided to argue that he had done this in what's called a fugue state. meaning he didn't remember. he was involved in an epileptic seizure, and this was effectively an insanity defense, and that's a much harder defense, but this attorney wanted to go all or nothing with jack ruby. he didn't want the sort of compromise verdict of effectively manslaughter and less than five years, and, you know, that's part of what made the case so fascinating was the defense that he chose. >> and the defense is baffling here, right? of course, finding people to be on a jury, people saw this shooting play out, and it was in all the papers and then jack ruby dies. how did that impact the case? >> so without giving away too much, the bottom line is that after the case, he gets a new trial. the case is thrown out on appeal, and so he's waiting in jail to get his new trial, and he dies. so he effectively died an innocent man. the conviction thrown out. jack ruby, the guy everyone sa

kennedy: this kind of an injustice here she does not get to do her multibillion-dollar talkshow anymore. but under cuomo still governor of north state. jackiend of a dicker. and everybody comes out says she is the worst. then you reach critical mass and she quits her show. they attracted to cuomo. he's jealous. >> that's the level of narcissism were dealing with. i feel like if you think you're completely invincible maybe you are. i'm member a period of time or debating over which of the three or four scandals was the worse of the three or four massive scandals. that is absolutely never good position to be impaired. kennedy: white is he get to keep his job? i will say her wedding was fantastic it was so much fun. >> thank you thank you and still run out hung over. if i think i drink a gallon of champagne illiterate thinkers a gallon [i don't how it all fit in my body. >> was the magic of love was helping us all to get annihilated with food. support well done bringing one bubbly to time but congratulations to you. and you are amazing and i love you prince mick love you too. kennedy: topical storm is next. stay here. let's coming, topical sto