jackie robertson. few people know the whole story of jackie robertson, what an amazing story. a central piece of the story, most people don't know that. obviously, john paul ii, a great man. i'm not a catholic, but a pro-catholic non-catholic, and someone i had the privilege of knowing personally, chuck olson. that's the long answer to the question. did you prefer a shorter answer? >> that was fine. who was wilbur? >> he's the man who led the battle for abolition of the slave trade in the british empyre. if anybody knows very little about him, they may know that much, but there's so much more to him. i didn't know it until i wrote my biography of him, "amazing grace," and when the movie came out, "amazing grace," i was asked, would you like to write a biography? i never wrote a biography. i never had the ambition or desire to write a biography. i fiferged that's a genera to skip in this lifetime, happy to skip it, but it was one of those things i really thought carefully about it, prayed about it because this was a great man, and i thought, the honor, the privilege to tell tha