chris: i was thinking about jackie robinzon who broke into baseball, broke the color line finally.to put up with a lot of bad stuff. he didn't just have to be a super player. has the standard been set too high? >> he has the fire and really competitive. you talk to the people in the white house, that's what they say, he is a competitive guy. if you look back, you get a glimpse of how much he likes the one to one fight. if you look at the way he dismantled donald trump over the birther incident in the spring, he loved to relish it. chris: i love that scene. >> he did, too. if you look forward to the 2012 campaign, you can see he will relish that man-to-man combat. >> i agree with joe. he wanted to govern the country differently, he did exactly that he is trying to hold and protect what he put. he has to win a second term to consolidate which he achieved in the first two years of his presidency. he is not indifferent about that at all. if he gregarious like bill clinton? no. he is academic and at times acidic and has disdain for the political people and the process. it doesn't mean h