jackie sumell joins us now for more.y quickly, when herman wallace was released back in october 2013 by federal judge jackson who told the warden, if he doesn't release him, he was dying -- she was dying of cancer -- he would jail the warden. that is when the endless came up to the present and they took them out three days later. -- and three days later, he would die. talk about this project you have engaged in to remember herman and to talk about solitary confinement and where albert woodfox presented this. >> thank you so much for having me. it is an incredible honor to be here. the project itself has shifted its storyline slightly, because for the 12 years i was collaborating with herman as a living, breathing being, it was about giving him voice, despite the systems continued prosecution to remove his voice. and now this project is more about his legacy, which was legacy to abolish the per tall -- prolonged use of solitary confinement in our correction system. so this is why we shifted the name and we call it, how to