. >> reporter: jaxon van derbeken, nbc bay area news. >> jackson joining us now live from san francisco. and, jackson, i hear turn saying one thing, pg&e saying another. opinions seem to be all over the place. are consumers the one who are u paying these billions of dollars? >> it looks like that's possible. distinctly possible. because already the legislator had said that pg&e can come and ask for money if it can show that it can't pass a stress test. now, obviously they've gone directly to bankruptcy here, so that stress test is implied here. and it's theoretical if not actual that pg&e could get more money to pay its walled fire liabilities at this point. >> all right, jaxon van derbeken, thank you very much. jackson and our entire investigative unit has been reporting extensively on pg&e the past six years. utility's recent problems began with the san bruno explosion. since then we've uncovered pooj knee's failure to produce critical safety records. we told you about the questionable relationship with regulators at the cpuc. we confronted the president about accepting a safety award