i think that things like the jackson vatican amendment helped to change russia's policy on the human rights policy, particularly with regard to soviet jews. each, we learn from each of these that there are ways to change how countries think. what you can't do is you can't mandate what another country does. you can't change the way they make their decisions. rpgge the i. you can change the structure. and i think that by doing it internationally, by doing it in a way that shows will go up and down depending on the response, we've made it clear that there's a rationale society decisions to be made. now, obviously in the case of russia, they've decided they could endure a lot of pain. >> rose: they have. >> i don't know how long that will last. but what we've also said if they continue the sanctions just by virtue of time get more severe over time just because time makes them out. they won't go away unless russia changes policy. >> rose: so far you've not seen a change in russia's response because6x of the sanctions imposed. >> we have seen a change. we haven't seen a complete correction