>> yes. >> reporter: jaclyn had only herself to rely on now. balance, justice for annie, now dead for a year and a half. she strongly suspected chris bagshaw knew more than he was telling. jaclyn listened to chris' interviews again and again and noticed something interesting chris said about his shoes. >> she had a bloody nose the last time i hung out with her. we were sitting right next to each other and she did drip it on to my shoes. >> where on the shoe was that? >> it was on my shoelaces. i'm not sure which shoe. it was about five days ago. we were hanging out and she just came over. >> spencer, remember, jaclyn had seem him coming into the station -- she had a gut feeling back then that he was hiding something and detectives at the time asked for his phone. >> do you have an idea why we took your phone? >> for call logs. >> that's part of the reason. there was a message on there that we were kind of interested in. do you know what that message is? >> it was a message from chris. the cops might come back to your house. i need you to tell t

jaclyn and reverend doctor pope has also presented. and she and dr. thompson did a session for us together. >> i don't see it as sexist. men have certain things to address. women have certain groups. that is the way i see it. >> i think you are probably right about that. i think we need to have a time when we come together. we will see what happens. we will just follow the holy spirit and see what happens. i could take it either way. >> as i mentioned earlier in the introduction, the contemporary transition says brothers and sisters in harmony and unity. i think that is the ultimate. >> if the bible was written by women, it probably would be a lot different. >> a lot of verses would not be of language. >> and being silent in church. >> just horrendous. >> i was in the seminary and heard the story about how a man reading scripture to his grandmother had no formal education. and it got to the point where it said women should be silent in church. and the grandma said how? they don't read that part. >> also the part about servants having the masters and i

. >> briefly, jaclyn, the turnover is just unprecedented. >> yeah. i think jim's exactly right going into 2020 with the president having campaigned on extracting the u.s. from our foreign entanglements it's going to be important for him to pick someone who coalesces to exactly what he wants. that line in jim mattis' resignation letter after he resigned over the sudden draw down in afghanistan and syria really stands out to me, he wrote, you should find someone whose views better align with yours because jim is right, this president does not want to hear criticism as much as he says he loves to collect contrasting views, but especially when that criticism leaks out into the open and makes the administration look just as tumultuous as it actually is. >> peter baker is joining me now, msnbc political analyst, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times," you were in the chair as we were beginning the show to talk about other issues, and obviously the john bolton firing or resignation, as you will, took precedence. you ran to do your reportin