advice for high-tech viewers that are headed there next fm narc new of china global television and jacob moore. walk me through how this works. you get invited to the white house or try to convince them? >> from what i've come to understand, lots of people are trying to convince -- >> get there. >> -- the administration how to get there. i found i had a voice mail one day from the white house. i thought it was a hoax, of course. i called henry back, special assistant to the president, and sure enough, very real opportunity. what he was curious about is how is it we put americans back to work. >> and you are putting americans to work all over america, particularly in some red states. i want to get to that in a second but i'm fascinated by the white house part of it. does one drive up to the white house? walk up to the white house? >> you walk up to the white house through the reporters, field some questions, then go through extra top secret clearance stuff, cleared in advance. we had an opportunity to meet in some of the rooms outside of the white house in one of the federal buildings. those we

me off onto a real search because i found the most thing.dinary sarah moore was married to her jacob moore in the givens' previous home. sarah i'm trying to find moore. o i did find her listed in new haven, connecticut, but it's een -- that's taken me two years to find that. go back but i wanted to say -- i shouldn't say record, but there is one me.f member who terrified he was so mean and i'm going to get my courage and go back. [laughter] >> i've had experience with that too. good. >> but i'll talk to you later. >> okay. [laughter]. i'll talk to you later and give you the name of somebody who is really, really wonderful will help you. >> oh, thank you. >> and i just saw her a couple of nights ago and she's really lovely. i just bought your book. >> okay. all right. but let me -- thank you. tell you, um, there is societies, the african-american vigilant societies. o you could look around for that. david rugals would be one name to research and graham hodges out.has a book i think it's a year old. on david rugals. >> i have that. >> okay. a question. ave you ever heard of lewis napoleon. g