i want sta thank jacob soboroff who has done some of the most important reporting during the trump administration. ashley parker, you, too, thank you for spending time with us. both of you come back if anything dramatic happens in this hour. you never know. we'll be right back. inds? or plan for tomorrow? at kpmg, we believe success requires both. with our broad range of services and industry expertise, kpmg can help you anticipate tomorrow and deliver today. kpmg. >>> how do you justify this policy? >> it's zero tolerance. i don't think you have to justify it. it's a crime to come across illegally and children get separated. i hate to say it that's the law and he's enforcing the law. >> ay-ay-ay. nearly 200 minors a day are being detained in the united states. many fleeing unsafe homes. many of them ripped from their parents. and steve bannon who says he speaks for the president's base says there's nothing to justify. joining our conversation now, heidi, national political reporter for nbc news. heidi, what are you picking up from your sources about the ripple effects? we made a list and it took us 1 1/2 secon