jacque cousteau, and jane good all, the chimpanzee lady. and jan michelle cousteau, captain cousteau's son, is very, very leadership position in this area. >> there's a story you told me, and it was about you and jacque cousteau going down the amazon, and i think things were looking deslute in the environmental world and he shared a conversation with you. do you remember that? >> sure. >> tell me the story. >> i was a little discouraged, and back when reagan was president, and i -- [laughter] >> he had just called the russia the evil empire, and that's not the way you get -- not the way you make friendsment so anyway, i just said, jacques, i'm having a hard time keeping -- from getting discouraged, getting rid of nuclear weapons and having peace in the world. and he said, ted, even if we knew for sure we were going to lose, which we don't, what else could men of good conscious do but keep fighting to the very end? and whenever i tended to get discouraged since then -- that was 25 years ago -- i remember what the captain said, and i say that