tavis: jacque robinson? >> -- jackie robinson. >> i don't think i could have taken what jackie had to take the first few years. not only that, jackie, i think, was as important to black people and to baseball, but he was just as important to us as i think martin luther king. tavis: was he a better man or a better baseball player? >> i think he was a better both. you remember jackie was an officer and he had problems in the army. he was an all-american football player. and he had to take a lot of gulf in order to play. -- of guff in order to play. no one wanted him in baseball. the honers didn't want him. his teammates on the dodgers didn't want him and obviously the guys playing against him didn't want him, the cardinals and phillies. he had to put up with that on the field quite a while until he has proven himself to be not only a great player and a great person. i couldn't have gone through what he went through. tavis: you had your share and the book details it. again, aisle pulling out names and places co