shake jafar ali ladak there for us. you are still watching gaza under attack. my name is amina taylor and i'm back with my guests shaber rasvy and tony greenstein who's with us via skype. uh, tony, i want to bring you back into the conversation here. it is so difficult to speak about palestine to speak about uh the evils of what's being perpetrated on the... gazans especially here, without - running foul of the establishment, your own reactions, well yes, i mean there's been an attack on the right to protest, the right to boycot israel, but israel is accepted, you cannot boycot israel if you're a local authority or a pension fund, and the reason is is quite clear, israel is the favored child of imperialism. in the middle east and it can get away with virtually anything, and that's despite the fact, as the shake said, the vast majority of british people support and the... it seasfire, and yet the elites in this country, represented by the prime minister, the leader of the opposition, and of course america, are categorically opposed, that shows what a thin veneer

latififakra for us there, now we spoke earlier to sheik jafar ladak of the babul center in leeds and we asked him if freedom of speech exist in the uk in relation to the issue of palestine? i think the war on palestine and the... for liberation in this period since october the 7th has allowed for the mask to slip off across the west and those claiming to have sort of very liberal approach to free speech have proved their illiberal nature or their reaction to what's going on and this is where the challenges come from because when you are stuck between sort of very pretty icing on the cake whereas at the cake inside is rotten, people have an expectation that they are able to speak up for cause, but then in reality, they are left very, very disappointed with the reaction that they're getting, and that's what we're seeing, we're seeing right now, for example, chance that until now have always been normal and understood in the historical context, things like freedom for palestine from you know the river to the sea is being... um turned into a phrase as if it's somehow extreme to call for