many of the people associated with the institute are former students of harry jaffa, who was, for many years, a professor out there in the claremont mckenna college and graduate school. c-span: how big is it? how many people belong to it? >> guest: well, it's not like--it's not quite as big as aei, but it's one of the major conservative--sort of second-tier conservative think tanks in america. c-span: and where is claremont, california? what's it near? >> guest: well, it's about 30 miles east of la. c-span: in the beginning of your book under acknowledgments, you say, 'through the generosity of henry salvatori, charles kessler brought me to claremont mckenna college as a salvatori visiting scholar.' >> guest: right. c-span: who is henry salvatori? >> guest: salvatori just died recently at the age of--you know, i think he was about 97. he was an italian immigrant who was a very successful businessman and made a pile of money developing techniques of oil exploration that turned out to be very successful. and in his later years, he became a major donor to causes and to people who were int

there were people in jaffa, and there was this weird thing nicknamed the hobbit living on the islands. and these other species died out and we're the only survivors. >> stephen: which were we? >> we were the ones evolving in africa, homo sapiens. and about 60,000 years ago we started to come out of africa. >> stephen: where did the neanderthal come from? if they weren't from africa? >> we go back now about 500,000 years. half a million years. we have a common ancestor with the neanderthals and we split from them and went in our own direction displfs that in africa we split off? >> probably. there was a species called homohyder berg, and it started to evolve into new species. north of the mediterranean and europe and asia, in africa it became us. and then we came out, and the big question is what happened when we came out. did we -- >> stephen: we kicked a little ass, didn't we? a little neanderthal ass. >> one view is wement the other species out. but it looks more complicated than that. and it wasn't a complete wipeout as we've learned in the last couple of years. >> stephen: what d