. >> karen moreau, we pick up there where amy myers jaffe left us.t's not like you punch a hole in the ground and it's the opening scene of the "beverly hillbillies" its heart to extract, and at $45 a barrel is it that desirable? >> well, i don't think we should be in position of determining or dictating to a private company what it's business plan is. i've actually been to the alberta , canada, visiting where they're extracting oil from the oil sands. i've seen the technology at work using natural gas in a cogent generation facility. this is the highest level of technology being employed to produce energy for this nation and our consumers are seeing the benefit of the production that is coming on the north american continent. it's changed the course of history, really, for this country in the energy area, and we're seeing it at the pump with the lowest gas prices for years. >> you used the frame "for this nation," and it's my understanding, and i've heard it a lot the last couple of weeks the lyon share of the i'll traveling through that pipeline is

jaffe. where do you come down? >> well, you know, during the recession there are several states in the united states that had no choice but to raise state gasoline taxes. it would have a positive affect on the budgets and consumers stomach it and went along. when we think about the federal situation we're going to have falling gasoline in this country. hopefully we stay i course and the course, there is no solution for the hay trust fund and other projects that are related to gasoline sales expect to raise the gasoline tax and it has the added benefit we do not want to send the message to average americans that they should be buying gasoline-guzzling cars now that the price of gasoline is going down. we want people to take that savings, and invest it in other parts of the economy you know, like was said before, better education and other kinds of supplies for our children going to the movies, enjoying a local restaurant. the best way to do that is to send the signal to people that we have ad

someone asked the question about jaffe, you know? if you're doing anything in public, you are likely to be misunderstood. so i wanted to go, like, from the question, your view of the question of equality to the question of esoteric writing. >> well, let me take up the last question first. i certainly think that strauss suggested that in any society including a free society, one should write in such a way, you know, as to min hides the possibility -- minimize the possibility that one's ideas will be misused or will have impacts that are socially and politically irresponsible. but i, i don't think that that's what he means by esotericism. he definitely teaches that and definitely tried to practice it. but he also, you know, was very explicit about, you know, certain matters that a thinker who wanted to, you know, hide teachings that, you know, could be, you know subject to or get them subject to, you know, to persecution or even to social program would not hide. so i just don't think he practiced esotericism, but i do think he practice

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if you think about what my podcasting colleague senator jaffe has said about the trickle-down feminism which is that we believe in this new liberal laissez-faire mythology that there is a logic of social justice that naturally flows out of capitalism or that the free market will come up with most just solution. that's not really anyone's fault in particular. i think it comes from centuries that this is the way must be done and guerrilla change to occur there is this march of progress that every single institution has to go through whether it's the economy or domestic life for law or systems of bias and subjugation. and thoughts to leave you with are these questions in complex that kept occurring as i was reading the book and all three of the sections that you wrote going through time and of course we should wonder why we keep coming back to these questions because they seem unresolvable after more than a century of feminism. one is protection for women versus absolute inequality. we saw this in the commission on the status of women and lieber's social feminism and this constant tension

if you think about what my podcasting colleague senator jaffe has said about the trickle-down feminism which is that we believe in this new liberal laissez-faire mythology that there is a logic of social justice that naturally flows out of capitalism or that the free market will come up with most just solution. that's not really anyone's fault in particular. i think it comes from centuries that this is the way must be done and guerrilla change to occur there is this march of progress that every single institution has to go through whether it's the economy or domestic life for law or systems of bias and subjugation. and thoughts to leave you with are these questions in complex that kept occurring as i was reading the book and all three of the sections that you wrote going through time and of course we should wonder why we keep coming back to these questions because they seem unresolvable after more than a century of feminism. one is protection for women versus absolute inequality. we saw this in the commission on the status of women and lieber's social feminism and this constant tension