. >> it's been 45 minutes and we haven't heard the word jaffer said. -- jefferson. [inaudible] [laughter] >> e-mail, jeffersons say? any name and everything. -- anything and everything. what did henry james senior say? a man of many handles. it is close. idea of not [inaudible] if we doubt forever, there would be flattering remarks about the iroquois and lacrosse or something. i don't know what our founder would say. i think he would probably say to me honestly that the business at the university was preparing young men and now young women for the life of scholarship and commerce and law and medicine and frugality should be pushed to the side. i will be honest with you. by going like this, i could transform division i college athletics and make it all intramural. i would do it in a second. i go to the games and watch them. if i could, i would. i can collect it and i'm still not going to do it. i mean, the idea that a college becomes an entertainment mecca. football, basketball, not something to be comfortable with it. he's a fairly austere person, at least in one di