. >> rose: and one of the great golf writers around, jaime diaz, talks about the u.s. open at marion. >> and tiger used to do it better than anyone. just like jordan would do it at the end of the game. that was allure and tiger had that allure. he still has it but he's been fighting himself to some extent and he hasn't been able to do it at a major and that's the ult mast test and that's the thing he lived for. so the drama now is seeing if he can do that again. that's what people are watching and wondering. >> rose: and some rules for life and management from donald rumsfeld. he calls it "rumsfeld's rules." >> and the greatest risk of people not measuring and not knowing progress, not having metrics is in nonprofits and government. because in business you fail, you go out of business. if you do it badly and you don't measure and you don't get better and improve and you're not competitive you go out of business. the philanthropy can go on and on and on because they have endowment, they spend the endowment, the business doesn't. in government it's always other people's

. >> rose: and one of the great golf writers around, jaime diaz, talks about the u.s.n at marion. >> and tiger used to do it better than anyone. just like jordan would do it at thd

. >> rose: and one of the great golf writers around, jaime diaz, talks about the u.s. open at marion. >> and tiger used to do it better than anyone. just like jordan would do it at the end of the game. that was allure and tiger had that allure. he still has it but he's been fighting himself to some extent and he hasn't been able to do it at a major and that's the ult mast test and that's the thing he lived for. so the drama now is seeing if h can do that again. that's what people are watching and wondering. >> rose: and some rules for life and management from donald rumsfeld. he calls it "rumsfeld's rules." >> and the greatest risk of people not measuring and not knowing progress, not having metrics is in nonprofits and government. because in business you fail, you go out of business. if you do it badly and you don't measure and you don't get better and improve and you're not competitive you go out of business. the philanthropy can go on and on and on because they have endowment, they spend the endowment, the business doesn't. in government it's always other people's m

jaime diaz from "golf digest" and "golf world." a man who understands the game. we'll be right back. stay with us. >> rose: donald rumsfeld is here he is both the youngest and oldest person to have served as secretary of defense. he's also been a nay sli fighter pilot, a congressman and the c.e.o. of two "fortune" 500 companies. his new book is called "rumsfeld rules: leadership lessons in business, politics, war and life." part memoir, part management guide, it offers an insight into donald rumsfeld's collection of people with advice. good rules, he says. we have talk misdemeanor times to him about his conduct as secretary of defense and his involvement in several republican administrations. this conversation is about donald rumsfeld's book and what he has learned from the rules of other people. i'm pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. >> thank you, sir. >> rose: we can talk about what's in this book and what we can learn from what you learned about how to be able to manage things, how to be able to lead. how did this come about? >> it came about bec