george, we see what jaime herrera beutler said about this. i can tell you from another source familiar with what kevin mccarthy said about these conversations it is exactly consistent with what congresswoman jaime herrera beutler said. furthermore, when kevin mccarthy spoke with the president literally in the car that was evacuating him to the safe location the conversation became very heated. mccarthy was -- mccarthy told people he was very angry with the president. he said who do you think you are talking about? mccarthy told the president he just heard gunfire outside the house chamber and that he had been evacuated, and that the president needed -- donald trump, former president, needed to get out there and call his people off. >> jon, let me interrupt you. mitt romney voted yes. a 50/50 vote would fail because the vice president, kamala harris, does not vote. mitt romney, at least one republican and now a second republican as well. i want to go to rachel scott. looks like we're going to get witnesses. >> reporter: it does, george. senator

impeachment process. >> ...and most republicans defending president trump, what does representative jaime herrera beutler say now? >> "firing line with margaret hoover" is made possible in part by... and by... corporate funding is provided by... >> congresswoman jaime herrera beutler, welcome back to "firing line." >> it's good to be here. >> it has been just over four weeks since you, along with nine other house republicans, voted to impeach president trump. how do you feel about your vote now? >> you know, i feel like it was still the right vote. i don't have a moment of regret. that doesn't mean it has made everything easy and pleasant in my world. but i think if it's right, it was right, then it's right today. and i feel -- i feel like it was the decision that was most akin to the things i believe as a republican. and i think it was the right thing, really, for the country. >> did you vote to impeach because you believe president trump acted in violation of his oath of offic >> fundamentally, yes. and, you know, as a republican, we talk about the constitution beinso central to our platform. when you

on witnesses, it seems as if this was a last-minute decision to go ahead and try to call jaime herrera beutler. should you have had a witness planned much sooner that might have included mike pence, kevin mccarthy, jaime herrera beutler, people like that? >> let's start with jaime herrera beutler. she issued her statement the day before. we tried mightily to get in touch with her. she could have come and done an interview. we couldn't get through to her. so we did seek permission to do it -- >> i don't mean to interrupt you. can i interrupt you real quick? >> please. >> her story was known for weeks. why did you not try to contact her until the last couple days? >> she issued her statement the day before, and we brought up the resolution right at the time that the resolutions for witnesses for called for according to the senate resolution. there's no other time we could have done it. that was the moment to do it. we won that vote. we were going to proceed to do it. hen the republicans stipulated to allow the evidence to come into the record. you asked about some other people who might have got

. >> last night, congresswoman jaime herrera beutler of washington state issued a statement confirming in the middle of the insurrection when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help, president trump responded, and i quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. >> the news of the phone call coming to light last night is the source of the new decision. democratic impeachment managers arguing they need to hear from congresswoman jaime herrera beutler, the exact details of the phone call between former president trump and house republican kevin mccarthy of bakersfield. now widely reported that mccarthy from inside the u.s. capitol during the siege shouted at former president trump to calm his supporters clearly to no avail. so people want to hear about the phone call. the defense team responding saying house impeachment managers had several days to complete the final case. >> after what happened here in this chamber yesterday, the house managers realize they did not investigate this case before bringing the impea

the house managers prosecuting the former president asked to call republican representative jaime herrera beutlers a witness. >> we believe we've proven our case. bu last night, congresswoman jaime herrera beutler of washington state issued a statement confirming that, in the middle of the insurrection, when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help, president trump responded, and i quote, "well, kevin, i guess these people are morupset about the election than you are." >> sreenivasan: the request set off a furious response from mr. trump's attorneys. >> i'm going to need at least over 100 depositions, not just one. the real issue is incitement. they put into their case over 100 witnesses-- people-- who have been charged with crimes by the federal government. and each one of those, they said that mr. trump was a co-conspirator with. co-conspirator with. that's not true! but i have the right to defend that. >> the motion is agreed to by a vote of 55 to 45. >> sreenivasan: then, voting 55 to 45-- five republicans joined all 50 democrats-- the senate approved calling

, the two sides agreed to submit into the record a statement from republican congresswoman jaime herrera beutler which detailed a phone call from trump to house minority leader kevin mccarthy on january 6th where trump told mccarthy the rioters cared more about election fraud than mccarthy. the house managers decided to call her as a witness after her story came out on friday. >> no number of witnesses demonstrating that donald trump continued to incite the insir e insurrectionists would have convinced them. >> reporter: the prosecution arguing the evidence made it clear the riot was incited by the former president. >> he named the date. he named the time. and he brought them here. and now he must pay the price. >> reporter: and the trump defense warning the constitutional questions of convicting a former president were impossible to ignore. >> this is perhaps the most unfair and flagrantly unconstitutional proceeding in the history of the united states senate. procedures when the votes were cast, seven republicans joined democrats and voted to convict trump but fell short of the two-thirds majo

they want to hear from representative jaime herrera beutler. and as you alettered to herrera beutler says that the president said that antifa was breaching the building. and they say this is opening the door for a long process. >> there are a lot of depositions that need to be lapping. nancy pelosi's deposition needs to be taken. vice-president harris' deposition, absolutely needs to be taken, and not by zoom. these depositions should be done in person, in my office, in philadelphia. >> this could lead to a panoply of witnesses summoned by both sides. vice-president pence, perhaps, mccarthy, even g.o.p. alabama senator tommy tuberville. this could be a defacto review at the capitol. and one from speaker pelosi what she requested for the security posture on the 6th of january and the republicans are more than happy to stretch this out. they believe the democrats were stretching authority with the trial. this could be the shortest impeachment trial of a president, five days. last year's two weeks. president clinton's trial five weeks in 1999. the

take a listen to congresswoman jaime herrera beutler. >> part of the problem there was chaos because each and every one of these officers boots on the ground commander or not had to make a decision with no information. there was no incoming help as far as they knew. they had no idea what you guys were doing. my hat is off to these brave men and women, they saved our lives and i'm frustrated that i'm not hearing this is how we're fixing that right now. that is what we're doing and that is what i expect. >> there were not a lot of answers today from these two officials, the acting chief of capitol police and the acting house sergeant at arms but it is shocking what congresswoman herrera beutler is saying in the lack of basic communication with members of congress that they were charged with protecting. >> the lack of communication is through the entire incident. you had individual officers making life or death decisions about where they would go and what they would be doing. how they would protect individual members. that is one of the reasons you saw during the impeachment hearing, th

they were frustrated, from tim ryan to jaime herrera beutler and focused in two areas that seemed clearly. the intelligence and the f-- th failures of intelligence and what was done before january 6th and then the failures operational or otherwise on the day. what did you take from this so far? >> well, i have to start, kate, by saying it reminds me as experience of testifying on the house side. it is a more aggressive form of questioning. the members are kind of -- they don't really hold back. you know right away when they're not happy with what they're hearing and i think that is pretty evident from the hearing the testimony that we've heard so far. i think you hit on the two major issues that will continue to dominate this process. on the intelligence side it is not only what intelligence did we have but what conclusions did we base on that intelligence and of course how was it communicated and how did it effect the preparation and the operational planning that the capitol police department put into their position for january 6th. obviously a lot of missteps along that process. frustra

the night before on friday evening, we found out that one of our colleagues, jaime herrera beutler had made a statement about a conversation she had with kevin mccarthy which went to the state of mind of the president during the time of the riot while it was ensuing. we felt that this was important to collaborate and to bolster the argument that we had already made. and so we used the opportunity for the motion to ask for witnesses, and then once that was granted, to ask for the statement of our colleague jaime herrera beutler. at the same time, defense counsel decided that they would make a motion for, you know, 100 witnesses at the time. we negotiated and were able to get her statement in the record not only as a written statement but to read it out loud to the senate. and we believe that just further bolstered the case that we had already made, and at that point we rested and did our closing argument. i know that so many people felt that, you know, maybe if we had more witnesses it could have changed more senators, but i think as you're seeing these statements come out of those 43 i

there are some republicans who stood up to accountability, congresswoman jaime herrera beutler who revealedmp's complete reluctant to call of the rioters according to her account of a call between mccarthy and president trump. joining me now is a leading republican who's never been afraid to break ranks with trump, governor larry hogan of maryland. seven senate republicans did break with their party, voted to convict former president trump. would you have voted to convict, and what does the final vote count say about the gop? >> well, first of all, i think there were a lot more people who didn't have the kucourage to vo that way who may have been convinced and moved by the argument, but you're right there weren't enough people willing to stand up. there were ten members of the house and seven members of the senate who did. i'm proud of them because sometimes it's not -- it's not easy to go against your party and the base of your party and the former president. you know, but it's hard to do the right thing sometimes, but i think i'm proud of those folks that did take that decision and put th

at this hour on friday night, we were delivering the breaking news that congresswoman jaime herrera beutler released a statement quoting what donald trump said to house republican leader kevin mccarthy while the invasion of the capitol was going on. kevin mccarthy told congresswoman herrera beutler that he called donald trump trying to get donald trump to help save the capitol from the trump invaders and donald trump said this about the trump mob in the capitol. "well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are." on friday night, we speculated about the possibility of that evidence being included in the house managers' case the next day on saturday, possibly by calling witnesses and on saturday, the house managers tried to call congresswoman herrera beutler, but after negotiations, settled on accepting her public statement as the equivalent of an underoath affidavit. congressman david cicilline drove home donald trump's words in his final comments to the senate jury on saturday. >> in those critical moments we see president trump engaging in a dereliction of

republican congresswoman jaime herrera beutler saying that she saw. >> there was no coordination. you could see the fear in their eyes. >> reporter: tuesday confusion about when the national guard was called in. >> who did you ask for assistance at 1:09? >> it was from mr. irving in the company of mr. stenger as well. >> mr. irving, why would you not remember that? >> senator, i have no recollection of a conversation with chief sund at that time. i was on the floor during the electoral college session. >> reporter: today the acting chief showing up with evidence -- the phone logs saying they did call for help. >> on january 6th, chief sund first reached out for national guard support to the house sergeant at arms at 12:58 p.m. >> reporter: tonight we're learning 800 insurrectionists made it inside the capitol that day. other lawmakers insisting police had the intelligence but failed to act. but the acting chief saying today there was no intelligence indicating an attack of this size and scale. >> we acknowledge that there are a lot of things that should have been done differently.

. >> reporter: house democrats wanted to call representative jaime herrera beutler of washington, a republicanestify about her conversation with house minority leader kevin mccarthy after his call with mr. trump during the attack on the capitol. herrera beutler, who voted to impeach the former president, says mccarthy told her as he pleaded with the former president to call off the rioters. mr. trump responded, "well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are." >> we should close this case out today. >> reporter: the former president's legal team was laughed at after threatening to call hundreds of witnesses, including speaker nancy pelosi, and vice president harris. >> these deposition should be done in person, in my office, in philadelphia. laugh that's where they should be done. i don't know why you're laughing! >> reporter: but a deal to enter herrera beutler's statement into the record allowed the trial to move on to closing arguments and after five days of proceedings, the final vote. >> mr. cramer, not guilty. >> reporter: senator mitch mcconnell, the to

. >> do you want to hear from witnesses now, particularly congresswoman jaime herrera beutler?that this statement from her is very much in line with the kind of reaction that trump had because we know that he had to have known that the riot was going on because we senators were taken to a safe place. we didn't even see the video until, i don't know, about an hour later. but when we saw what was going on, a lot of us were getting texts. i got texts from people in hawaii who were watching what was going on and asking whether i was okay. the president had to have known. of course we know that senator sub tuberville told them that the vice president had been taken to a safe place. the president knows all this and does absolutely nothing. here's a man who knows how to use the word stop, stop the count, stop the vote, stop the steal and yet he doesn't tell the rioters stop the rioting right now. kevin mccarty calls and begs him and he still doesn't stop it because, one, he expected it; two, he liked it. this is what he wanted. these people rioting for him. >> i mean, if anybody think

i saw today, brianna, adam kinzinger of illinois sent out a fundraising appeal for jaime herrera beutlerger coming to the aid of donating his own pac money and urging people to vote for beutler. they understand they went against the grain of their party. they may be facing very tough primaries upcoming. >> indeed. david, thank you very much for taking us through that. nearly a month after leaving the white house and facing his second impeachment trial, donald trump is facing legal probes at the state and federal level. so why do republicans continue with their loyalty to him. my next guest wrote the book "death by politics" and he's an opinion writer at the "new york times." thank you for being with us. your latest op-ed is titled "why are republicans still loyal to a mar-a-lago exile?" answer your question for us. why are they? >> the short answer is old habits die hard, and the republican party has committed themselves to donald trump for four years, and they're finding it very hard to break. in part, i would say, because the base of the party has been so radicalized. it's extreme, and

one of the sources of cnn's reporting, republican congresswoman jaime herrera beutler released a statement calling on more people to come forward. it says, to the patriots standing next to the former president as these conversations that were happening or even to the former vice president, if you have something to adhere, now would be the time. this is some real courage if, you know, that sense of optimism that david says if you have. if more don't come forward, maybe they aren't the patriots the congresswoman still believes that they are. >> yeah. well, i mean i am encouraged a little bit by the fact that somebody from pence's office is telling reporters the truth as he heard it about what happened with mike pence. so maybe we'll hear that -- we've got a limited window here. we've got about a day left to get more information out. but i think significant information has come out. senators may have been sort of had had a position which we knew going in about the constitutionality argument and all that. but i think after what people have seen this week, i think a lot of people -- cassidy and

we got the essence of what we wanted when i was the statement of congresswoman jaime herrera beutler. the defense got nothing. i think you're making a lot out of and dismissing the incredible evidence of havoc, mayhem and what this president had done over a period of months to bring destruction to our democracy by talking about if you had two or three more witnesses what was going to happen. >> one thing i would add to it is remember there's a reason that the request for witnesses comes at the conclusion of the case. we had an opportunity to see the former president's counsel and decide whether we needed to provide additional witnesses. our case was filled with dozens of witnesses presented by way of video and statements and recordings. it was only last night we learned about this new information and we got the best of both worlds. we got that testimony in the record before the jury without any risk associated with it. and that's important to remember. this is a congresswoman who repeats a telephone call between kevin mccarthy and the former president of the united states in which kev

, the two sides agreed to submit into the record a statement from republican congresswoman jaime herrera beutlerhich detailed a phone call from trump to house minority leader kevin mccarthy on january 6th. where trump called mccarthy the writers cared for election fraud in mccarthy. impeachment managers decided to call her as a witness following a cnn report on the call friday. >> the point is no number of witnesses demonstrating that donald trump continued to insight the insurrectionists even after the invasion of the capitol would convince them. they would not be convinced. >> reporter: with witnesses off the table, the two sides presented their closing arguments. the prosecution argued the evidence made it clear the riot was incited by the former president. >> name to the date, time, and he brought them here, and now he must pay the price . >> reporter: the trump defense said convicting has been impossible to ignore. >> this has been the most unfair and flagrantly unconstitutional proceeding in the history of the united states senate . >> reporter: when the votes were cast, seven republicans

people are more upset about the election theft than you are and then republican congresswoman jaime herrera beutler confirmed this on the record. they ended up entering her statement on the record. is that an important statement to get on the record, is that an important moment? >> i'm not sure how much it is, given that it would be hear say. hearsay. it's not like herrera beutler was on the call herself. we need to look at who got what they wanted out of this situation. i think democrats really wanted to damage the president further, to create further splits within the republican party. i think they got what they wanted. mitch mcconnell and a number of conservatives both in office but also in the media landscape, i think felt uncomfortable with what they saw. they created or showed certain riffs that exist within the republican party. but i also think that donald trump kind of got what he wanted out of this which was that clearly showing the majority of the party still stands with him, that the majority of the party's voters still stand with him and given the kind of motivation going forward, he r

in the house you have congresswoman marjorie taylor greene who lashed out fellow republican jaime herrera beutleretails of a phone call between trump and kevin mccarthy on the date of the riot. she tweeted the trump loyal 75 million are watching. i want to bring in senior political reporter for "the guardian" daniel strauss. mallory young fast co-host of a pod cost. laura selt, former aide to mitt romney. lauren, i want to start with you. your former boss has been in the news quite a bit including that exchange with ron johnson and we saw that gripping video of him running in reverse, running for his life really there on capitol hill on the 6th. what do you make of all of this? >> i think that senator romney's vote yesterday was to be expected. i worked for mitt romney during his 2012 presidential campaign, and the person that he is now in the senate is the person he was then. he stood on conviction. he voted his consciousness, even though the political consequences of doing so could be difficult for him. he's not up for re-election until 2024 if he decides to run again. of course he's going to g

conservatives will disagree with me, they're looking and seeing burr and people i consider a friend, jaime herrera beutler old, seeing them taken to the pasture. i think the pendulum will swing back and we have to. there's a new populism in town, joy. anyone that wants to run, be yourself. you're enough. let's ride this out. policy is for everyone. america is for everyone. democracy is for everyone. we need a healthy republican party for that. >> you don't sound like a republican. margery taylor green had a town hall tonight in which she said democrats are evil and attacked god's creation, and that's what's rising now in the party. rina shaw, good luck to you getting the party back. the stud failure of texas power grid leaves millions in the dark, shines a spotlight on the state's long history of political dysfunction and hypocrisy. stay with us. ction and hypocrisy. stay with us (announcer) do you want to reduce stress? shed pounds? do you want to flatten your stomach? do all that in just 10 minutes a day with aerotrainer, the total body fitness solution that uses its revolutionary ergonomic design to he

opportunity for the motion to ask for witnesses, and then once that statement of our colleague jaime herrera beutlere time, defense counsel decided that they would make a motion for, you know, 100 witnesses at the time. we negotiated and were able to get her statement in the record not only as a written statement but to read it out loud to the senate. and we believe that just further bolstered the case that we had already made, and at that point we rested and did our closing argument. i know that so many people felt that, you know, maybe if we had more witnesses it could have changed more senators, but i think as you're seeing these statements come out of those 43 individuals, we know that there was no additional witness that was going to change their mind. you know, there was concern about making sure that we didn't lose those seven additional members that we had or any others of the 57 and recognizing also that it's not as people think that you call for a witness and that individual comes in, raises their hand, and makes their statement right there on the floor. this then goes to subpoenaing, to d

witnesses, we were able to get treated as live under oath testimony, statement of our colleague, jaime herrera beutler. we were able to get a stipulation to that and get it into evidence today by asking for her as a witness. if you listen to mitch mcconnell and the republicans now hurriedly explaining why they voted not to convict, all of them are hinging on a legal argument, jurisdictional or some other legal argument that could never be overcome by any number of witnesses. we could have had 5000 witnesses and which mcconnell would make the same speech because what he's asserting is the senate never has jurisdiction over a former president and for reasons i don't need to labor because a big part of the trial is about this, we reject that completely. it totally at odds with our history. the text of the constitution, the original intent of the constitution, the original understanding of the constitution, set its own presidents but in any event, no number of witnesses demonstrating that donald trump continued to incite insurrectionist even after the invasion of the capital would convince them they would

we believe we've proven our case but last night, commerce woman jaime herrera beutler of washington state issued a statement confirming in the middle of the insurrection when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help, president trump responded, and i quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. needless to say, this is an additional critical piece of corroborating evidence, further confirming the charges before you as well as the president willful dereliction of duty and desertion of duty as commander in chief of the united states. his state of mind and further incitement of the insurrection january 6. for that reason and because this is the proper time to do so under resolution of the senate adopted to set the rules to the trial, we'd like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman herrera regarding her communications with house minority leader kevin mccarthy and to subpoena her contemporaneous notes that she made regarding what president trump told kevin mccarthy in the middle of the insurrection we be prepared t

we got the essence of what we wanted which was the statement of congresswoman jaime herrera beutler.fense got nothing. i think what you are making is a lot and dismissing the incredible evidence of havoc, mayhem, and what this president had done over a period of months to bring destruction to our democracy by talking about if you had two or three more witnesses what was going to happen. submit one thing i would add, remember there is a reason the request for witnesses comes at the conclusion of the case. we had an opportunity to see the former presidents council and decided whether we need to provide additional witnesses. don't forget our case was filled with dozens of witnesses with video, statements and recordings. it was only last night we learned about this new information. we got the bests of both worlds without that testimony in the record before the jury without any risk associated with the rate that's important to remember for this is a congresswoman who repeats a telephone call between kevin mccarthy and the former president of the united states in which kevin mccarthy's ple

last night, congresswoman jaime herrera last night, congresswomanjaime herrera beutler of washingtonte issued a statement confirming that, in the middle of the insurrection, when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help, president trump responded, and i quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about these people are more upset about the election than you are. needless to say, this is an additional, critical piece of corroborating evidence, further confirming the charges before you, as well as the president's wilful dereliction of duty and desertion of duty, as commander in chief of the united states, his state of mind, and his further incitement of the insurrection on january six. further incitement of the insurrection onjanuary six. for that reason, and because this is the proper time to do so under the resolution of the senate adopted to set the rules for the trial, we would like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman herrera, regarding her conversations with kevin mccarthy, and two subpoenaed a contemporaneous notes over what pres

looked like it might drag out for weeks when the lead house manager moved to call jaime herrera beutler witnesses and instead entering a statement into the record as raskin made a closing argument. >> after he knew that violence was underway at the capitol, president trump took actions that further incited the insurgeons to be more -- insurgents to be more inflamed and take more extreme, selective and focused action against vice president mike pence. >> reporter: it wasn't enough, failing in 57-43 vote to acquit, democrats needed 17 republicans to cross the aisle, only seven did. afterwards, the lead defense attorney, bruce castor, weighed in. >> they failed miserably on all sorts of grounds, not the least of which is the jurisdiction over somebody out of office. they were wrong on the law as relates to the first amendment and due process. >> reporter: former president trump reacting, thanking his attorneys and those who stood by him, saying, quote n the months ahead i have much to share with you and i look forward to continuing our incredible journey together to achieve american greatn

said they'd seek the testimony of republicanjaime testimony of republican jaime herrera testimony of republicanjaime herrera beutlerf 55—45. mr president, i suggest the absence of a quorum — a quorum. let'sjust take you a quorum. let's just take you back life a quorum. — let's just take you back life to the scene of the floor of the senate where there is still some debate going on and we are not sure about what it is because there was a vote sometime ago and it was 55—45 which we believe was in favour of allowing a witness, a debate on a witness to be called. and there was always the chance of house impeachment manager vote to call witnesses although few in the senate, democrats included, were interested in continuing this trial passed this weekend, and it was anticipated that at the final closing arguments we would have them now. and a vote if not today then sunday but that has certainly been delayed. and this is after reports yesterday of an angry frankel between donald trump and house minority leader kevin mccarthy as the january the 6th rights were unfolding. this evidence came to light in yesterday's proceedin

before long this story got confirmation from republican congresswoman jaime herrera beutler.are more upset about the election than you are." in a statement congresswoman herrera beutler pleaded for those who were with the president that day to come forward with information. "if you have something to add here, now would be the time." that time would have begun today after the house impeachment managers appeared to surprise everyone. >> we would like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman herrera regarding her communications with house minority leader kevin mccarthy and to subpoena her contemporaneous notes she made regarding what president trump told kevin mccarthy in the middle of the insurrection. >> five republicans voted with the democrats to allow witnesses. 55-45. but that strategy did not last long. both sides agreed not to call witnesses or take depositions after all. instead, they would put a statement from congresswoman herrera beutler in the record and move on to closing statements. >> there was absolutely no evidence that mr. trump's words were directed to incit

beutler. this was saturday before the impeachment trial concluded. the development came after a republican congress member came for, jaime herrera butler, about commentsp made during his assault to kevin mccarthy. >> that last night congress when of washington issued a statement confirming in the middle of the insurrection when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help my president trump responded "well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election then you are." needless to say, this is an additional critical piece of corroborating evidence. for that reason and because this is in the proper time to do so under the resolution the senate adopted to set the rules for the trial, we would like the opportunity to subpoena congress woman herrera. amy: the request by the house impeachment manager to introduce new witnesses prompted this tense debate between the lead house impeachment manager jamie raskin and top defense attorney michael vanderveen. >> the only thing i ask him if you vote for witnesses, do not handcuff me by limiting the number of witnesses that i can have. there's only one person the president