, upper-class jakartans.'s near to an elite suburb. this is a place where a lot of decision-makers in jakarta and their families would be frequenting. i think we can see these multiple layers of pargting, westerners the elite and officialdom such as police >>> i just want to-- targeting >>> the death toll has been revised down to seven. it had been as high as 17 at one point. reports were quoting 7 civilians and five police and five attackers. its seven now. as we move on from here, how will the president assess the situation depending on who does claim responsibility ultimately, but how does indonesia move on from this? >> i think we're going to see even more intensive efforts to combat jihadism. there has been a strong campaign by the government previous-- previous government and now the current government. the police have been allowed a freehand in order to conduct their anti terrorism operations. i would just add one thing. when you were talking about the down scaling of the death toll here, i think for t

and coffee shops such as starbucks, it's also an upper middle class area for upper middle class jakartans we have international agencies. there has been much talk of the u.n. office that is opposite the police post that was attacked. but just a couple of buildings down the road is the home to a great many international agencies, other international agencies as well. so the terrorists probably planned this to be an attack or series after at that would have a much wider impact than some another attacks that have been undertaken in the last 15 years. >> we are still track this is very much live vents, a live incident on the ground. but can we just step back for a couple of minutes, greg. if you are not in the region. if you don't understand the relationship between the indonesian government and the people who would want to perpetrate this kind of attack. if you have an ax to grind against the government or the security forces or police, why wouldn't to do this? >> this will need more often. >> a rather obvious one, and you have discussed this with your previous guests is that these people ma