joining me is jake sherman. es -- excuse me for my raspy voice, this never-ending cold i have. the videos were wrenching. what was it like there today? >> i was inside that room. everyone in there, lawmakers, witnesses and members of the press that were in that room were just captivated by the testimony that you just highlighted. we have been hearing stories coming out of uvalde over the last several weeks, but what really struck me is hearing how some of these people impacted are dealing with this day to day and will continue to be dealing with it. we had thought there might be a possibility that even though this was a prerecorded message that that young girl might be inside that hearing room, but instead it was her father who showed up. he was clearly devastated, agonizing over what had happened to his daughter. and deeply -- his daughter deeply traumatized just could not be in that room. but another moment that stuck out to me, katy, is the family of alexei rubio. they spoke via video to the lawmakers present and she described how she felt so guilty that she had left her dau

bring in white house correspondent for politico eugene daniels, and cofounder of punch bowl news jake sherman. good morning to you both. jake, let me start with you because all the business is happening up on capitol hill. we have that hearing in a few minutes that we talked about with congresswoman maloney. on the senate side, there's a lot list of gun related issues they're not talking about, that are not on the table, some focus perhaps on red flag laws, not a federal one, though. school safety, mental health. what else? >> reporter: they're talking about red flag laws incentivizing states to create red flag laws. one thing they're talking about is reworking some of the licensing requirements for people who sell guns but don't perform background checks, so-called hobbyists who sell weapons without background checks. i'm pretty confident at some point there will be a gun package that emerges from the senate. i've been a skeptic all along, meaning, i've always thought it's a high hill to climb, but i do think it's going to happen this time around. but there are not the votes for raising that

. >> joining us now one of our favorites the cofounder of punch bowl news jake sherman also an msnbc orning. yesterday we heard from a litany of officials who were threatened after the election. and tried to convince the former president that there simply wasn't any fraud. which testimony stuck out to you the most? >> well, i would say a few things. i think what my reaction was and i almost tweeted this, john, but you know the old saying never tweet. i decided to never tweet. what's amazing to me when seeing mcdaniels and all of these former trump administration officials is just the depth of this investigation, the breadth of this investigation and how much they have compiled, how many people they have gotten to testify presumably frooutfully about this -- about january 6th. so, that was what was really stunning to me. obviously there's incredibly emotional testimony yesterday about just the impact of trump's lois, about voter fraud on individuals, individual public servants. but again, just the breadth, the depth is stunning. i want to add one more thing, john, in the punch bowl new

joining us with the very late jake sherman co-founder of punchbowl and msnbc contributor. itol hill, the team says the deal is 98% done. what do you hear? >> reporter: your capitol hill team is excellent, and you're right, the deal is very, very close. there's a couple of things to keep in mind. number one, time is of the essence. they want to get it done before the july 4 recess. if we accountant to see text today, tomorrow, somewhere in that time frame, we're headed into a weekend session on capitol hill or next week. those things are possible. although the leadership would like to avoid it. they might not be able to. number two, there are odds and ends that need to be tied up. number one, we reported in punchbowl news, and there's some disagreement over the hite amendment. it prevents that into a gun bill. when that comes up at the end of the debate that usually means they're close because they have that argument for every single bill and there's not many issues left over. last week, the bill teamed like it was teetering. this week, it's close once again, we could, could

joining me is jake sherman, an msnbc contributor. , the video, i'm not the capitol police and i know he'd said it's not suspicious. it seems intriguing that they're taking pictures of security and staircases and tunnels. that's not what i would take a picture of if i was visiting the capitol. >> no. i can give some context here, katy. in those videos, which seem to be obviously the capitol police surveillance videos, this man is taking a photo of a staircase, a commonly used staircase and what appears to be, i would bet a lot of money, it's a security check point in the tunnel between cannon longworth and the capitol, which is a main thoroughfare for members of congress -- >> these are the office buildings that are around the capitol. these are where the lawmakers and their staffs going to work every day and then they take these tunnels to get into the capitol to vote and go to the floor. >> that's right. i should have said that. and then the third one appears to be another tunnel between the rayburn building, another house office bui

joining us is jake sherman. how big of a deal is thursday's hearing? >> huge.orking behind the scenes, investigating, issuing subpoenas, taking depositions, and now they're bringing their work to light and that's the big moment for this committee, and quite frankly, it only has one chance for a first impression, how the saying goes. they are going to be -- they're holding this in prime time for a reason. it will be on 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 on the west coast. gives a lot of people an opportunity to watch, and quite frankly, there's just an amazing amount of interest. republicans, quite honestly, don't have any good answers here, right. their answers are that this committee is illegitimate, it's not -- it shouldn't be issuing subpoenas, it doesn't have any republican buy-in, but none of that matters if the committee has the goods. if the committee has been able to create and display an honest and truthful and well thought out and received narrative about what happened on january 6th, and who was behind it and what they were aiming to do. >> yeah. and then

jake sherman, do you want to get in a little bit? do you have an opinion? i want to respect your journalistic prerogatives. >> it's not something they have a firm view on one way or the other. i do think, can i can say from my reporting there are a lot of people with a lot of questions politically of what it would mean if a sitting president investigated a form are president. that's not to say they will or they should or should not, but i can tell you on capitol hill the view is far from unanimous about whether they should, should not or will or will not. >> i know in the ex-presidents' club they view it as a barrier to entry, you haven't experienced this until you're choosing between a horrible choice and a more horrible choice. thank you so much for starting us off today. when we come back, the big lie is now the mainstream party platform for republicans in texas, rejecting president joe biden as the winner of the 2020 election and therefore the president. donald trump's lies about the election show no signs of fading there. plus also in texas, republican

jake sherman live in the flesh, founder of punch bowl news and nbc political analyst.u should be up here. all sitting at the desk chatting away. >> your all hang out about me, what's going on? >> my question to you about this speech we are going to be hearing from the resident as soon as his investigation wraps up, do we know if the committee at all is going to be kind of guiding the president as to what is actually included in the speech? i'm sure he's going to want to kind of connect the dots, right? >> look, inevitably whatever the committee finds out in events and public hearings is going to inform what stays in the president speech. whether that is a kind of arrangement does not necessarily matter, because these hearings are hardly happening in a vacuum. they are on every television screen, even just the other day here on the hill on tuesday, as you walk around here you saw that everyone who is in the halls of congress is the watching it on their phones or watch it on the tvs that are posted at various points around this building. certainly the same is true in the

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at 2:45, journalist jake sherman, texted meadows, we are under siege in the capital, there is an armed standoff at the house chamber door, we are all helpless. according to former republican congressman, denver riggleman, who worked with the january six committee as a senior technical adviser, the meadows texts were a key part of the committee's investigation. >> my team was the first to see the meadows text messages when we could link the numbers, and names together, as we've got the thousands of text messages. it is almost a roadmap, and a lot of the text of not come out, thankfully, i think the committee will do a good job of linking those text messages to the other interviews and, data that they have, starting november 3rd, november 4th, in the meadows text messages, all the way to the end. it is a roadmap, and i will say at this point, mark meadows is the mvp for the committee. i think they should pay him. the data we got from there allowed us to structure and infect investigation. >> joining us, daniel coleman, the house majority counsel for the first impeachment trial of donald

. >> i want to bring in jacqueline alemany, the co-founder of bunch bowl news jake sherman, former whitecretary robert gibbs, and former prosecutor barbara mcquade. it does seem we're moving closer to the possibility that former president trump could face criminal charges, obviously completely uncharted territory. how much does the concern over setting that kind of precedent weigh when the justice department is making its decision? >> oh, i think it always is something they have to think about. the justice department is required to consider two questions in deciding a criminal case. one, can they charge, is there sufficient evidence. and secondly, should they charge, would it advance a substantial federal interest. when it's the president, i think there is a concern that you're setting a very dangerous precedent that new administrations will charge their predecessors, and also i think there's concern it gets caught up into politics and other kind of things. but also i think you have to think about the consequences of not charging. one of the reasons we charge criminal cases is to deter b

. >> jake sherman, thank you very much for being with us.nue our conversation, california congressman sal lewd carbajal from the gun violence task force and congressional hispanic caucus. a key part of the senate framework are incentives for states to enact so-called red flag laws. the bill you authored on the red flag laws passed the house last week. this issue is personal for you, you lost your sister. what exactly is a red flag law? congressman, how would it make a difference? >> first of all, my bill provides a grant program to states that don't have red flag laws to incentivize them to develop red flag laws themselves. for the states that already have red flag laws, this provides support, extra training, extra support they need to make sure their laws are implemented to its fullest potential. what this ball does is really incentivizes those red flag laws that allow family members, loved ones and law enforcement, when they come across an individual who poses behavior that's a danger to themselves or to others, to be able to petition the

the punch bowl news founder and msnbc contributor, jake sherman and leanne caldwell. here's what we want to lay out here. a kind of viewer's guide as you get ready to watch the hearing and key moments to watch. it starts tonight, 8:00 eastern. it's going to last roughly 90 minutes. the first of six hearings. the committee is promising to reveal previously unseen material. their words. video and audio from the day of the insurrection. one of the two republicans on the committee saying it will change history, but will it? over the next six hearings, democrats will try to connect the dots to president trump who they say was at the center of the conspiracy. we're also watching the republican response. ali, expectations, what the mood is like where you are at the capitol. >> expectations are high. this is the fruition of a year's worth of work on the part of the committee for an event that millions of americans witnessed in realtime through their screens and now their charge is to introduce something new, to do it in a compelling fashion. that's what lawmakers say they are

a 2:35 pm, journalist jake sherman texted meadows, we are under siege in the capital, there's an armsoor, we are all helping place, or corning to republican congressman denver wriggle worm, who worked for the january 6th committee as a senior tech adviser. the meadows texts were a key part of the committee's investigation. >> my team was the first one to see the meadows text messages when we are able to link the numbers and names together after we got the text messages so look it is almost a roadmap to what happened a lot of the text having come out thankfully so the committee is gonna do a great job of linking those text messages to the other interviews and data that they have started november 3rd in november 4th and it meadows text messages all the way to the end, it is a roadmap, i'd have to say this point mark meadows as the mvp for the committee i, think they should pay him. the data that we got from there actually allowed us to really structure and effective investigation. >> joining us now, daniel goldman, the four former house majority counsel for the first impeachment trial o

allegations of tampering became better at the end, those messages, two other messages, let's bring in jake shermanke number in your capacity as someone who is always on capitol hill, you had a lot of interaction, or you are familiar with cassidy hutchinson and the roles that he played, how close was she, and any indication that there was any reason for her, or any motion for her to come out here and make him look bad, any to s motivation is, katie., any to s i would say a few things. anybody who covered the capitol and who covered congress and who worked on capitol hill knew that cassidy was incredibly, incredibly close to mark meadows. i mean, during the heat of covid when congress was readying, you know, multibillion dollar packages to help rescue the country, mark meadows was leading at times those negotiations and cassidy was in the room with them. this is somebody if you go back and look at photos from those times, it was mark meadows, steven mnuchin and cassidy hutchinson walking into rooms in the plain view of reporters. actually, it doesn't matter how well he knows her or what his view of

joining us now is politico correspondent national correspondent betsy woodruff swann and jacques sherman. jakes on this panel. what are you hearing about how the republican party feels about how the hearings are going and whether they felt that they needed to be a part of them and why they might now feel like they should have been a part of them? >> if you are a republican -- it's amazing to me, katy, having lived through two impeachments, many congressional investigations, the republican party has none, zero response to these hearings. none. absolute crickets. i think part of that is due to the fact that the evidence is airtight, it's coming from the mouths of members of the president's party -- members of the former president's party, now documentary in his own words presumably in the coming weeks. there really isn't a response that would mack sense here besides we should have been on the committee. they have no one but themselves to blame on that. kevin mccarthy decided on two occasions not to take part in that. donald trump was not happy about that. obviously what trump wants is republican