spicer came on with you, i think, jake, and said, hey, we're just talking about what happens, because you've got to win. it's not an open convention. we don't have a thomasplatt from new york or the quiet bosh from new york. they don't exist anymore. you've just got to get 1,236 delegates. >> van, how much do democrats want donald trump to be the nominee? >> i think it's changing. i think at first, people really want him to be the nominee, because he is, you know, outrageous, so offensive, this will destroy the republican party. i think his turn against muslims and to complete demagoguery. a leader describes a solution, a demagogue describes a problem over and over and over again and tries to scapegoat a group. people are now beginning to wonder, is he going to poison not just the republican party, but the american electorate against muslims and make it possible for a kind of hateful, fearful, demagoguery to be possible in governor's races? >> van is the only pure-hearted democrat out there. everybody else is downright giddy about the idea of a donald trump burning bridges, and latinos burning bridges, and muslims burning bridges. >> you say that and in