. >> professor jalali, if the after gangs in position of leadership and responsibility in your country were eavesdropping on these two americans speculating, would that sound familiar to them? would they say, okay. we understand that. >> that's what we want, too? >> i think they would understand that the concern is that they cannot expect that they will be supported forever by the international community but all they want is to build that capacity that they can take everything in their own hands and be responsible for the security and future of the country. however, they need a lot of help. i think the afghan security forces have come a long way since 2001. now, the question is how to sustain that capacity. i think it will take time. in the afghan national security forces are now an incredible force in afghanistan. but the real test will come when everybody else leaves the country, whether the support will continue or not. i think the security forces do not have to defeat the taliban by 2014 or after that. if they can ensure the survival of the state in the institution, the achievement